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  • french frank
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    • Feb 2007
    • 30534

    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
    There's an even shorter version: Veni, vidi, vici.
    Until it all collapsed, of course.
    I got involved in a long theological discussion with my brother yesterday until he told me kindly that I didn't know anything about the subject, which is true (as usual, I rely on the native intelligence of the noble savage rather than what other people think and say). He's lent me Paul: a biography, by Prof Tom Wright, so I've laid aside Travels with a Donkey for the present..
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • smittims
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      • Aug 2022
      • 4429

      Tony Hancock : Rome wasn't built in a day, and its decline and fall can't be read in one.

      Librarian (Hugh Lloyd): You haven't got Gibbons' Decline and Fall there.

      Tony: That's got nothing to do with it. I've got the love lives of the Caesars here, that tells me everything ... and between you and me, I'm not surprised it declined and fell after that lot.

      (Galton and Simpson: The Missing Page (1960). )

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      • Ian Thumwood
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        • Dec 2010
        • 4261

        I find Roman history endlessly fascinating. Having read Seutonious 2 years ago, in my opinion the issue is that many historians parrot him. Better to read the source.

        The new Mary Beard takes a refreshing look at Emperors and i find this quite compelling. However my favourite is Guy De La Bedoyere whose books are written with a dry sense of humour which makes great fun. I have also read a few book by Adrian Goldsworthy who i find the most knowledgeable but can be a bit dense and sometimes a challenge.

        i probably have more books on Roman history by Simon Elliot who chooses niche topics and puts them into context . These are excelient for Romano British history .

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        • smittims
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          • Aug 2022
          • 4429

          Shakespeare (and probably Fletcher) , Henry VIII. A despotic ruler manipulated by a scheming, ambitious chancer, while well-meaning individuals who speak out are done away with on trumped up charges. How very outdated; I mean , it couldn't possibly happen today, could it ?

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          • richardfinegold
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            • Sep 2012
            • 7762

            Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post

            I read this book a year ago and could not put it down. However, i felt that there were a lot of bits in the story that Grann did not explore. There were so many remarkable components with the different factions of the crew that are glossed over. It is absolutely fascinating but i could not help wondering if british historian would have covered this in more detail.

            Before this i read an account of Magellan by a respected Spanish historian and it was turgid in thr extreme. You had to have known the source material.beforehand to have unserstood it. Usually i devour books about exploration but this effort was wretched. The opppsite to The Wager which was a page turner.

            Currently reading Mary Beard's opinionated Emperor of Rome which is another difficult book to put down. Loving her fiesty views as much as the history. I would recommend her original approach to this topic.
            I liked her Emperor book a lot more than her previous one, which was devoted to monuments and seemed to go over previously trod ground. Her favorite books for me me remain her earliest ones, specially her Pompeii book and SPQR. Mary Beard doesn’t attempt to write comprehensive and chronological histories. Instead she looks at a specific phenomenon, such as the contents of a room in a Pompeii villa where the roof has collapsed and contents of several rooms may be jumbled, and then examines the contents to draw conclusions about how every day people must have lived

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            • Ian Thumwood
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              • Dec 2010
              • 4261

              Richard

              this is why i am enjoying the book. It is an interesting approach. However, reading someone l7ke Galsworthy makes it seem like a different topic. Beard is clearer

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              • richardfinegold
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                • Sep 2012
                • 7762

                Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
                Richard

                this is why i am enjoying the book. It is an interesting approach. However, reading someone l7ke Galsworthy makes it seem like a different topic. Beard is clearer
                She has a great way of popularizing what could easily be an arcane subject. However after having read many of her books I think she is a bit tapped out

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                • Petrushka
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12342

                  I bought myself the three volumes (in paperback) of the 'Chips' Channon diaries as a Christmas indulgence. I'll embark on reading them shortly but each volume is over 1000 pages so I may be some time!

                  At least with diaries you can dip in and out of them at the same time as reading other books but I still find it a bit daunting and expect to be reading them over a couple of years. They are, however, entertaining and are indispensable to anyone interested in 20th century British history.
                  "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                  • gradus
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5633

                    Poet, Mystic, Widow, Wife, The Extraordinary Life of Mediaeval Women by Hetta Howes.
                    Well written, interesting and informative, not overburdened with footnotes but not light on researched material.

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                    • smittims
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                      • Aug 2022
                      • 4429

                      Just started re-reading A Passage to India ( Forster) having watched the David Lean film again over Christmas. Immediately I was struck by a significant difference (the first of many, I know). The fim begins with Adela and Mrs. Moore arriving in India and meeting the Turtons, the effective British rulers of Chandrapore. But Forster deliberately begins his novel with a long chapter featuring only Indians, emphasising in a sympathetic way their very different lifestyle.

                      I was unhappy with the end of the Lean film, which departs from the plot of the novel. I've never understood why they feel they have to do this . It seems th end of a film is the most difficult bit.

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                      • teamsaint
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25235

                        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                        I bought myself the three volumes (in paperback) of the 'Chips' Channon diaries as a Christmas indulgence. I'll embark on reading them shortly but each volume is over 1000 pages so I may be some time!

                        At least with diaries you can dip in and out of them at the same time as reading other books but I still find it a bit daunting and expect to be reading them over a couple of years. They are, however, entertaining and are indispensable to anyone interested in 20th century British history.
                        An extraordinarily successful book. Is it any good ?

                        I thought I would have a go at Lord of the Rings. Not got far yet.
                        Non fiction wise I read our new ( hopefully !!!! ) smash hit “ Chemically Imbalanced “ by Prof Joanna Moncrieff a while ago, released this month.
                        It is going to be very controversial, and sheds important light on some of the ways that big drugs companies and the medical world often function, with particular reference to anti-depressants.
                        Expect to see big publicity in your preferred media very soon.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • Petrushka
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12342

                          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post

                          An extraordinarily successful book. Is it any good ?
                          I've not started it yet as I'm just coming to the end of a previous read but these diaries (1918 to 1957) have a reputation second only to Samuel Pepys and are widely cited in books on 20th century British political history. This is the full, unexpurgated edition and I'm looking forward to getting stuck in.
                          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                          • Old Grumpy
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                            • Jan 2011
                            • 3666

                            The Place of Tides by James Rebanks. An extraordinarily beautiful book, both in content and writing style.

                            ‘Enchanting’ Telegraph‘Miraculous’ Isabella Tree‘Exquisite’ FT From the No.1 bestselling author of The Shepherd's Life, an unforgettable story of friendship, redemption and a life-changing voyage of discovery on a remote Norwegian island How far do you have to go to find yourself? One afternoon many years ago, James Rebanks met an old woman on a remote Norwegian island. She lived and worked alone on a tiny rocky outcrop, caring for wild Eider ducks and gathering their down. Hers was a centuries-old trade that had once made men and women rich, but had long been in decline. Still, somehow, she seemed to be hanging on. Back at home, Rebanks couldn’t stop thinking about the woman on the rocks. She was fierce and otherworldly – and yet strangely familiar. Years passed. Then, one day, he wrote her a letter, asking if he could return. Bring work clothes, she replied, and good boots, and come quickly: her health was failing. And so he travelled to the edge of the Arctic to witness her last season on the island. This is the story of that season. It is the story of a unique and ancient landscape, and of the woman who brought it back to life. It traces the pattern of her work from the rough, isolated toil of bitter winter, to the elation of the endless summer light, when the birds leave behind their precious down for gathering, like feathered gold. Slowly, Rebanks begins to understand that this woman and her world are not what he had previously thought. What began as a journey of escape becomes an extraordinary lesson in self-knowledge and forgiveness. *Shortlisted for the Edward Stanford Travel Book of the Year Award*

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30534

                              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                              At least with diaries you can dip in and out of them at the same time as reading other books but I still find it a bit daunting and expect to be reading them over a couple of years. They are, however, entertaining and are indispensable to anyone interested in 20th century British history.
                              I am such a narrow-minded bore that, among the biggest turn-offs for me are Simon Heffer, probably Henry Channon, judging from this, and more or less any well-known person lauded as 'entertaining' , and who I would consider deathly bores. I say this in the most self-deprecating way having no great opinion of myself either (certainly not 'entertaing').
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Petrushka
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12342

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post

                                I am such a narrow-minded bore that, among the biggest turn-offs for me are Simon Heffer, probably Henry Channon, judging from this, and more or less any well-known person lauded as 'entertaining' , and who I would consider deathly bores. I say this in the most self-deprecating way having no great opinion of myself either (certainly not 'entertaing').
                                Among my many interests is that of 20th century British history, including political history, and (like it or loathe it), the 'Chips' Channon diaries have a central place in any discussion of the period. I'm only about 20 pages in and the name-dropping is awesome and we're only in 1918!

                                Simon Heffer is an able editor of something like this so his own views don't intrude, nor do they in his own books which are fair and well-balanced.

                                I also have a massive interest in Russian and German history in the same period so 'Chips' is a saint compared to some of the characters you meet there!
                                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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