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  • gradus
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    • Nov 2010
    • 5622

    Originally posted by smittims View Post
    Just getting into 'Barchester Towers' for I think the fourth time, and the Signora has just arrived as Mrs. Proudie's reception.
    Wonderful book.

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    • french frank
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      • Feb 2007
      • 30456

      Originally posted by smittims View Post
      Another writer who had a thing about Bruges was Pamela Hansford Johnson , who lived there for a while and at least one of whose novels is set there. I think she's due for a reassessment, some of her books coming back into print after having been forgotten for decades.
      Just looked this up: I assume you mean The Unspeakable Skipton? Not sure that it appeals but the article reminds me that I've never read Hadrian the Seventh. Had mixed up JB Priestley with CP Snow in being Mr Hansford Johnson. Priestley married to the archæologist Jacquetta Hawkes, of course
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • vinteuil
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        • Nov 2010
        • 12936

        Originally posted by smittims View Post
        Just getting into 'Barchester Towers' for I think the fourth time, and the Signora has just arrived as Mrs. Proudie's reception.
        ... some years back, i recall a critic 'fessing up that the first time he had read 'The Great Gatsby' he had seen Gatsby as the great hero to whose lifestyle one should aspire - and only many years later realizing what a fraud and sham Gatsby was. Similarly : may I 'fess up that the first time I encountered (I think I was twelve) the Archdeacon Dr Grantly at Plumstead Episcopi at his copious breakfast table (tho' in The Warden rather than Barchester Towers, I think) I thought - yes, that's the good life, I could do with that - only many years later understanding that that was not the point of what Trollope was portraying...

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        • smittims
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          • Aug 2022
          • 4332

          Hmm, well, Grantly is a complex character and Trollope sees good in him as well, at least when compared with the Proudies. I must 'fess' that Dr. Stanhope is my favourite.

          As for Gatsby, I can't agree that he is simply a fraud and a sham, nor that Fitzgerald wished us to see him so. Was he not, as many others do, making the best of the cards life had dealt him? . Many feel that, although there are hints that he is a villain, he is a curiously sympathetic character, and a tragic one too, when one considers all that he does in the vain hope of gaining Daisy's favour?

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          • vinteuil
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            • Nov 2010
            • 12936

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            ... the article reminds me that I've never read Hadrian the Seventh
            It's fun. Wiki says - ' "in 2014, The Guardian placed Hadrian the Seventh on its list of the 100 best novels written in English. Robert McCrum called it "entertaining if contrived […] orchidaceous, eccentric and weirdly obsessive, some would say mad." '

            This entertaining if contrived story of a hack writer and priest who becomes pope sheds vivid light on its eccentric author – described by DH Lawrence as a 'man-demon'

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            • smittims
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              • Aug 2022
              • 4332

              Don't worry, ff. I made the faux pas of saying, when it was announced that Princess Royal was expecting her first child, that I'd forgotten she was married.

              Yes, Skipton is the character who lives in Bruges. I've come to regard Johnson as uneven, her best books being those influenced by Sbnow, such as 'A Summer to Decide'.

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              • vinteuil
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                • Nov 2010
                • 12936

                Originally posted by smittims View Post
                I must 'fess' that Dr. Stanhope is my favourite
                ... I always had a bit of a crush on Dr Arabin -

                I have read Barchester Towers five times and have promptly forgotten the details each time. I am left with only a sense of easy reading and good construction. I am fascinated by the Oxford Movement (also known as the Tractarians), young men who turned the C of E upside down, and by the way middle-class […]


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                • smittims
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                  • Aug 2022
                  • 4332

                  You cannot be serious!

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                  • vinteuil
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12936

                    Originally posted by smittims View Post
                    You cannot be serious!
                    ... o yes. But then I think the hero of Middlemarch is Dr Casaubon. After all, when friends asked Eliot where she got the idea for Casaubon from, she would point mischievously at herself...

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                    • Pulcinella
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                      • Feb 2014
                      • 11062

                      Mr Harding in The Warden is probably my favourite character in the series, though the Archdeacon cones close when at one point he offers 'additional prayers' (I hope not only in the TV adaptation).

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12936

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                        ... sensing that this world is rapidly transmuting into an absurd virtual reality Matrix-type illusion, I felt it was time to re-acquaint myself with the Master's Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius - and was intrigued to find in the Foreword a sentence I had hitherto overlooked : "The better way to go about it is to pretend that those books already exist, and offer a summary, a commentary on them. That was Carlyle's procedure in Sartor Resartus, Butler's in The Fair Haven - though those works suffer under the imperfection that they themselves are books, and not a whit less tautological than the others... "

                        Sartor Resartus I know and love; Butler I admire - but I had never encountered his The Fair Haven. I have a five-hour train journey to Edinburgh tomorrow - it might suit. But I must first finish Simenon's la Nuit du carrefour - and there is also Hogg's Confessions of a Justified Sinner on the shelf which needs re-reading - and which may be better for an Edinburgh sojourn...
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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30456

                          It does the heart good just to read about these things here . Like surveying all the appetising comestibles on display in a delicatessen.

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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                          ... sensing that this world is rapidly transmuting into an absurd virtual reality Matrix-type illusion, I felt it was time to re-acquaint myself with the Master's Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius - and was intrigued to find in the Foreword a sentence I had hitherto overlooked : "The better way to go about it is to pretend that those books already exist, and offer a summary, a commentary on them. That was Carlyle's procedure in Sartor Resartus, Butler's in The Fair Haven - though those works suffer under the imperfection that they themselves are books, and not a whit less tautological than the others... "

                          Sartor Resartus I know and love; Butler I admire - but I had never encountered his The Fair Haven. I have a five-hour train journey to Edinburgh tomorrow - it might suit. But I must first finish Simenon's la Nuit du carrefour - and there is also Hogg's Confessions of a Justified Sinner on the shelf which needs re-reading - and which may be better for an Edinburgh sojourn...
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                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • richardfinegold
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                            • Sep 2012
                            • 7737

                            just finished August 1914 by Solzhenitsyn started Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut

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                            • eighthobstruction
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 6449

                              Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                              As it happens, Bella, my book (I'm re-reading it) just mentioned yours. "I got stoned alone. . . read The Grapes of Wrath and The House of the Seven Gables which seemed as if they had to be tied for the most boring book ever written . . . " Theo Decker in The Goldfinch.

                              I tend towards your view!
                              ....G of W .....fab.....The Goldfinch one of the most boring over written books EVAA....

                              Ed....or am I being churlish....no offense meant....I'm just offensive....
                              Last edited by eighthobstruction; 23-03-23, 20:22.
                              bong ching

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                              • Bella Kemp
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                                • Aug 2014
                                • 481

                                Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                                As it happens, Bella, my book (I'm re-reading it) just mentioned yours. "I got stoned alone. . . read The Grapes of Wrath and The House of the Seven Gables which seemed as if they had to be tied for the most boring book ever written . . . " Theo Decker in The Goldfinch.

                                I tend towards your view!
                                I must read The Goldfinch - I greatly enjoyed The Secret History. I'm fascinated by how anyone - even a stoned character in fiction! - could find The Grapes of Wrath boring. It's one of the most compelling books I've ever read.

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