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  • MrGongGong
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 18357

    Originally posted by muzzer View Post
    Middle England by Jonathan Coe. Highly recommended partly-comic take on the “events” of recent years, revisiting characters first seen in The Rotters Club.

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    • LMcD
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      • Sep 2017
      • 8597

      Originally posted by muzzer View Post
      Middle England by Jonathan Coe. Highly recommended partly-comic take on the “events” of recent years, revisiting characters first seen in The Rotters Club.
      I greatly enjoyed it, as I did the previous two - I take it you've read The Closed Circle? Have just started 'Paris Echo' by Sebastian Faulks.

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      • vinteuil
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12914

        Originally posted by DracoM View Post
        'Falk' by Joseph Conrad.
        ... many thanks to DracoM for this - it inspired me to read Falk (marvellous) - and then to move on to more and more Conrad : Because of the Dollars (also the play based on it Laughing Anne), il Conde, The Idiots, Tomorrow (also the play One Day More), An Outpost of Progress, The Tale...

        Now time to re-try the biggies - to see if I can get to the end of Nostromo...

        [ ... I see I was here back in 2016 -

        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        ... can't fault your taste, umslopogaas.

        Yes, time to plunge in to Conrad again, I think.

        I have to confess that last time I tackled Nostromo I never quite made it to the end - ( I was reassured when meeting an old university friend, now a Conrad scholar, who said that the ending of Nostromo was in any case an irresolvable mess ) - but I loved what I did manage to get through.

        Heart of Darkness, just wonderful. And another favourite - The Secret Agent...

        good reading!
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        • Rjw
          Full Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 117

          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
          I greatly enjoyed it, as I did the previous two - I take it you've read The Closed Circle? Have just started 'Paris Echo' by Sebastian Faulks.
          I read The Rotters Club and The Closed Circle prior to publication of Middle England. I felt that Jonathan Coe, who I have really enjoyed over the past 20 years, was just sorting out the loose ends. Rotters Club was a cracker.

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          • gradus
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5619

            Who Owns England by Guy Shrubsole. A revealing and fascinating book likely to stir latent revolutionary fervour (if present) in the reader.

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            • muzzer
              Full Member
              • Nov 2013
              • 1193

              Originally posted by LMcD View Post
              I greatly enjoyed it, as I did the previous two - I take it you've read The Closed Circle? Have just started 'Paris Echo' by Sebastian Faulks.
              Yes I’ve read the previous two. I find Coe very readable, and I like the references to a quasi imagined British past of sit coms, which has to be at least partly mocking, and the shared past, typified by the 1977 Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show - which is genuinely affecting. This is a poor summary, of course. Where I part company is that I would like to believe that a novel of our times would be more innovative linguistically, but that of course marks me as trapped by a modernism which is no longer current ;) Where is today’s Nabokov, Bellow, Murdoch, Gaddis, Spark?

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              • Bella Kemp
                Full Member
                • Aug 2014
                • 481

                Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                Yes I’ve read the previous two. I find Coe very readable, and I like the references to a quasi imagined British past of sit coms, which has to be at least partly mocking, and the shared past, typified by the 1977 Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show - which is genuinely affecting. This is a poor summary, of course. Where I part company is that I would like to believe that a novel of our times would be more innovative linguistically, but that of course marks me as trapped by a modernism which is no longer current ;) Where is today’s Nabokov, Bellow, Murdoch, Gaddis, Spark?
                I might suggest that too many novels these days have been produced following MAs in Creative Writing and writing courses - yes, many of these books are pacy and exciting, the characters are well-drawn and the setting believable, but frankly they might all have been devised by a computer program. All the writers you cite here might be identified by a page of their writing as easily as you could distinguish between Haydn and Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms. I offer a challenge: can anyone here suggest a living writer whose identity might be revealed in a paragraph?

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post
                  I offer a challenge: can anyone here suggest a living writer whose identity might be revealed in a paragraph?
                  Martin Amis, Ali Smith, Toni Morrison, Jeanette Winterson, Colm Toibin ... (I've given five to respond to muzzer's last question, too I think I'd also recognise Nicola Barker and Peter Ackroyd in a few sentences.)
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • LMcD
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                    • Sep 2017
                    • 8597

                    Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post
                    I might suggest that too many novels these days have been produced following MAs in Creative Writing and writing courses - yes, many of these books are pacy and exciting, the characters are well-drawn and the setting believable, but frankly they might all have been devised by a computer program. All the writers you cite here might be identified by a page of their writing as easily as you could distinguish between Haydn and Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms. I offer a challenge: can anyone here suggest a living writer whose identity might be revealed in a paragraph?
                    Mick Herron.
                    Antony Beevor
                    David Starkey
                    Garrison Keillor
                    Last edited by LMcD; 24-10-19, 08:32.

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                    • muzzer
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 1193

                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      Martin Amis, Ali Smith, Toni Morrison, Jeanette Winterson, Colm Toibin ... (I've given five to respond to muzzer's last question, too I think I'd also recognise Nicola Barker and Peter Ackroyd in a few sentences.)
                      Happy to accept all of those :)

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Bella Kemp
                          Full Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 481

                          Excellent work!

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                          • LMcD
                            Full Member
                            • Sep 2017
                            • 8597

                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            What does the icon above the beer indicate, and to which posting does the beer refer? (Same questions apply to the following post).

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                              What does the icon above the beer indicate
                              "I'll drink to that" (or similar "comradely" sentiments. A single beer means "cheers"/"thanks"/"I owe you one")

                              and to which posting does the beer refer?
                              The one immediately preceding (if somebody posts "in between" whilst I'm writing a post, I edit in a quotation from the post to which I was replying).
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • Richard Barrett
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                                • Jan 2016
                                • 6259

                                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                                Mick Herron.
                                Antony Beevor
                                David Starkey
                                Garrison Keillor
                                John Banville
                                Elena Ferrante
                                Salman Rushdie

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