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  • Sir Velo
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    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    To my credit, I was not defeated. I went back to early James (The American, The Europeans - easy peasy), and read most of the stuff chronologically from there on - and by the time I reached the last three - well, not easy peasy, but so well worth it .
    I can't help thinking of T.S. Eliot's objective correlative when considering James. Beautifully written, yes. Scrupulously observed, undoubtedly. Of course, the past is another country - we all know that, autres temps autres moeurs etc but doesn't he rather make mountains out of molehills? Nevertheless, I will follow your example and persevere (for the present)!

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  • richardfinegold
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    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
    Though I'm a fan of Ian McEwan - I think Atonement is a masterpiece - I haven't read all his novels. I was given a copy of Lessons for a recent birthday, and found myself devouring it over a weekend. It takes the life span of a man as its basis, but pulls in other plot lines about, for example, the reunification of Germany, music and musical careers, and what it means to have been abused as a child. I recommend it.
    I posted on this a few weeks back. # 3392 It is more kaladescopic with all the diverse themes than his usual work

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  • richardfinegold
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    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

    I didn't get in to Henry James until I was in my late thirties, and was in a similar way 'almost immediately derailed'. I knew he was 'important', and in my arrogant way thought, well, I'll plunge straight in to the 'late, difficult' works. What could possibly go wrong - blessed with a good brain, an expensive (state funded... ) eddication, an Eng Lit degree from a serious university... So I started The Ambassadors. Skipping the Preface, into chap 1 - and totally defeated after a few pages. What the f*** was going on? What did the sentences even mean???

    To my credit, I was not defeated. I went back to early James (The American, The Europeans - easy peasy), and read most of the stuff chronologically from there on - and by the time I reached the last three - well, not easy peasy, but so well worth it...

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    I am reading Portrait of A Lady currently. I preferred The Ambassadors to the Bostonians

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  • richardfinegold
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    Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
    I picked up 'Alone in Berlin' by Hans Fallada in a local chazza last week. I had never heard of it or heard of him before. I was attracted by the front cover, though initially put off by the 600 pages. It starts in Berlin in 1940, a city paralysed by fear and suspicion. Based on a true story, an old couple embark on an act of resistance in the city. The book also gives a picture of how various characters survive under this regime, the small minded dignitaries, the ambitious thugs, the blackmailers on the make. It has been sucking me in to a world I hadn't inhabited before
    Is that the same book as Every Man Dies Alone? It was retitled when the movie was made

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  • vinteuil
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    Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
    Just downloaded The Ambassadors to my Kindle. Almost immediately derailed....:
    I didn't get in to Henry James until I was in my late thirties, and was in a similar way 'almost immediately derailed'. I knew he was 'important', and in my arrogant way thought, well, I'll plunge straight in to the 'late, difficult' works. What could possibly go wrong - blessed with a good brain, an expensive (state funded... ) eddication, an Eng Lit degree from a serious university... So I started The Ambassadors. Skipping the Preface, into chap 1 - and totally defeated after a few pages. What the f*** was going on? What did the sentences even mean???

    To my credit, I was not defeated. I went back to early James (The American, The Europeans - easy peasy), and read most of the stuff chronologically from there on - and by the time I reached the last three - well, not easy peasy, but so well worth it*...

    [ * not sure that The Sacred Fount is worth it, tho'... ]

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  • Sir Velo
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    Just downloaded The Ambassadors to my Kindle. Almost immediately derailed by this passage from the Preface:

    "I could even remember no occasion on which, so confronted, I had found it of a livelier interest to take stock, in this fashion, of suggested wealth. For I think, verily, that there are degrees of merit in subjects—in spite of the fact that to treat even one of the most ambiguous with due decency we must for the time, for the feverish and prejudiced hour, at least figure its merit and its dignity as possibly absolute. What it comes to, doubtless, is that even among the supremely good—since with such alone is it one’s theory of one’s honour to be concerned—there is an ideal beauty of goodness the invoked action of which is to raise the artistic faith to its maximum.​"

    Only another 500 pages to go.

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  • johncorrigan
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    I picked up 'Alone in Berlin' by Hans Fallada in a local chazza last week. I had never heard of it or heard of him before. I was attracted by the front cover, though initially put off by the 600 pages. It starts in Berlin in 1940, a city paralysed by fear and suspicion. Based on a true story, an old couple embark on an act of resistance in the city. The book also gives a picture of how various characters survive under this regime, the small minded dignitaries, the ambitious thugs, the blackmailers on the make. It has been sucking me in to a world I hadn't inhabited before

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  • smittims
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    I'm re-reading 'Lytton Strachey, a biography' by Michael Holroyd, which I first read 50 years ago.

    Although there is much to be said for the Bloomsbury Group and their emphasis on loyalty to friends, one thing struck me particularly this time round. They were all pretty well-off: a house in central London and another out in the country,and able to go to the Russian Ballet every night without having to think about the cost.

    I think only E M Forster seems to have understood this enough to give expression to it, in the character of Leonard Bast in Howard's End. Saying to Helen Schlegel 'I think you will recall the occasion because it was at a perfromance of the Fifth Symphony of Beethoven' he shows that such an event would be something he would look forward to for weeks or months, saving his shillings and sixpences to get a ticket. She says merely 'I think we hear the Fifth every time they do it' : the voice of someone who never has to think about money.

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  • gradus
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    Eamon Duffy's fine book, Fires of Faith, presenting a closely argued defence case for Mary Tudor and Reginald Pole, notorious for their relentless pursuit and burning of those who would not re-convert to Roman Catholicism.

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  • Jonathan
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    Nearly finished "The left handed booksellers of London" which, despite all the accolades it's received, did not appeal to me.

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  • kernelbogey
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    Though I'm a fan of Ian McEwan - I think Atonement is a masterpiece - I haven't read all his novels. I was given a copy of Lessons for a recent birthday, and found myself devouring it over a weekend. It takes the life span of a man as its basis, but pulls in other plot lines about, for example, the reunification of Germany, music and musical careers, and what it means to have been abused as a child. I recommend it.

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  • LMcD
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    A History of Modern Britain (Volume One\ by Andrew Marr.
    Last edited by LMcD; 12-03-24, 00:10. Reason: Title of book corrected!

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  • AHR
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    Just finished a re-read of Scott's 'Rob Roy.' The real stand-out character is Bailie Nicol Jarvie. The book comes alive whenever he is present.

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  • smittims
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    Well, Ian, well done for reading it to to the end without throwing it across the room (or at least, picking it up again and reading on).

    I too, have tired of hearing that the only reason some women's music was forgotten was male oppression. It couldn't just be that, like many male composers, their music just wasn't much good!

    Elizabeth Maconchy's music has been revived quite a bit in recent years, and, in my opinion, now receives its due.

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  • Ian Thumwood
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    I finished Anna Beer's book "Sounds and secret airs" and regret to admit that I found her to be pretty insufferable. Without doubt, the female composers selected in each chapter had to contend with the changing ways in which women were viewed in their times and this was often a massive challenge. As a piece of historical writing, I have to say that the chapters on Strozzi, Caccini and De la Guerrre were almost unreadible. The chapter on Martines was marginally betterand it was not until the next chapter on Hensel that I became engaged. Along with Clara Schumann and Lili Boulanger, Hensel was the only composer I had heard of. Unfortunately Beer is like the proverbial pub boor and continually harks on about hos attitudes towards female ensured these composers did not enjoy the reputations they deserved. A lot of this is nonsense. In many instances, Beer herself acknowledges that some of these women either did not compose copious amounts of music, the music never survived or , in the case of Hensel and Boulanger, they died before they could really establish a reputation. The chapter on Booulanger concentrates on an opera she had intended to write bt which never happened. She is described as being forgotten which, from the point of view within jazz where she is highly considered, is absolute nonsence. I would concur that Elizabeth Maconchy was a new name to me and that , on the face of the final chapter, does seem neglected. However, Beer never considers the fact that Maconchy's work is probably out of fashion these days. As for Clara Schumann, I did not find her that sympathetic although her husband came out with little credibility in my opinion. Same for Felix Mendelsohn who dicouraged his sister to publish. (Not sure that being the second best Mendelsohn is much to write home about!)

    There are some interesting points made within someof the Amazon reviews regarding female composers, the most obvious being that Beer never chose to write about Hildegard of Bingen - probably the greatest composer of her day, male or female, The concentration on early Music and Classical someone skews the perspective as times were very different and, as Beer acknowledges, there was a change in perception in the 19th century that German music was superior to that of other nationalities. Judith Wier is mentioned in passing but those female composers who probably led uninteresting and uneventful lives such as Cheminade, Meyer, Ferranc and Amy Beach are not really considered. Nor is Baciewizc who I think does deserve consideration and having a chapter on a composer working under the old communist regime in Poland would have made the book more varied as it would have shown how elements other than sexism had to be dealt with. There is not mention of Taillefrere either . One contemporary composer whose work I have appreciated, Sally Beamish, does not get a mention at all. The book probably predates the likes of the excellent Caroline Shaw. I would have appreciated a sider spectrum of female composers.

    I am afraid that Beer's constant theme of the women being down-trodden does get really wearisome. I expect I am like everyone here and likes to think theyhave discovered someone new who is overlooked. For me, the book put me off wanting to explore the works of these women other than perhaps Hensel and Boulanger. It felt like really bad history writing in my opinion. If a book on music does not pique your interest in it's subject, I feel it has failed. I did not understand much of what she wrote about Caccini and Strozzi as Beer never really described what her music sounded like and what instruents were used to perform it. Out of curiousity, I briefly looked some of their works out on Youtube but felt that it was much of a muchness for music of this era. The "interestng" thing about it is that it survived at all! All in all, I just felt that female composers deserved something much better than this book. Definately a case of a writer getting her dungarees in a twist concerning the treatment of female composers.

    I am now reading Martin Da Cruz' excellent account of the evolution of football in Uruguay (1878 to 1917 ) - "From beauty to duty." This is probably the most niche football book imaginable but it is a cracking read. This is a book I would recommend.

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