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  • Nick Armstrong
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 26538

    #46
    Originally posted by mercia View Post
    oh dear
    Why "oh dear"? Just go with it! Enjoy it!
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • mercia
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 8920

      #47
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      Why "oh dear"? Just go with it! Enjoy it!
      I'm trying, but my small brain can't cope. Its like having Lassie in a scene from 101 Dalmatians. Or Elsie Tanner wandering into Albert Square. Its not right.

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      • Cockney Sparrow
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        • Jan 2014
        • 2284

        #48
        Originally posted by mercia View Post
        I'm trying, but my small brain can't cope. Its like having Lassie in a scene from 101 Dalmatians. Or Elsie Tanner wandering into Albert Square. Its not right.
        A surreal image - even though my only experience of The Square in the last 20 years is from trailers or short snatches whilst getting possession of the remote control..... And just thinking about what Elsie would say (....oops, I've just realised I'm thinking about Ena Sharples ! ).

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #49
          I'm very grateful to Cali for persuading me to give this series another go, as I am greatly enjoying it. I think the treatment of the Great Expectations and Bleak House "backstories" are very well done - and I think I might have preferred it had the series concentrated on this dual plot. The intermingling of so many other characters - and the distorting of the plots of their novels - isn't something I can just "go" with: it tugs on the leash of my enjoyment - as does the use of the Lohengrin "Wedding March", which dates the setting of the series to after 1858 - which, in turn, means that the events of A Christmas Carol take place in 1865 - twenty-two years after it was written! (I just have that sort of "connections" brain - pity me!)

          The Fagin sections are excellent, too - even taking Anton Lesser out of the equation; and he is (as some wise person has recently suggested) someone who could read the Phone book and make it unmissable.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • cincinnatus
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            • Mar 2011
            • 41

            #50
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            I'm very grateful to Cali for persuading me to give this series another go, as I am greatly enjoying it. I think the treatment of the Great Expectations and Bleak House "backstories" are very well done - and I think I might have preferred it had the series concentrated on this dual plot. The intermingling of so many other characters - and the distorting of the plots of their novels - isn't something I can just "go" with: it tugs on the leash of my enjoyment - as does the use of the Lohengrin "Wedding March", which dates the setting of the series to after 1858 - which, in turn, means that the events of A Christmas Carol take place in 1865 - twenty-two years after it was written! (I just have that sort of "connections" brain - pity me!)

            The Fagin sections are excellent, too - even taking Anton Lesser out of the equation; and he is (as some wise person has recently suggested) someone who could read the Phone book and make it unmissable.
            I'm really enjoying this series, FHG, but like you i am finding the chronology difficult. I was a history teacher! My biggest problem is with the Oliver Twist characters. Fagin, Sykes and Nancy seem to be set at a time before Oliver enters their lives. But how can this be? At the time that Bill Sykes takes Oliver on the burglary Mr Bumble is sweet talking Mrs Corney and they are not yet married.

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            • ardcarp
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 11102

              #51
              Yes, Mrs A and I have been haggling over the chronology....but have resolved (as someone above suggested) to sit back and enjoy. I just wonder where the inspiration came from for such a novel [groan] idea?

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              • ardcarp
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11102

                #52
                Is everyone sticking with it? I am surprised that I want to keep watching. Can anyone explain its compulsion?

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #53
                  Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                  Is everyone sticking with it? I am surprised that I want to keep watching. Can anyone explain its compulsion?
                  Yes! - I'm absolutely hooked! (I still find the Bumbles irritating and - so far - unnecessary; but then neither actor is doing very well in the poorly-written roles.) Love it - and what a pair of poppets in the "Oliver"(-ish) and Tiny Tim roles! (When TT took his medicine, I'm convinced they hadn't rehearsed with the real "medicine" - his eyebrows took on a life of their own! But what a trouper - came out with his line dead on cue!)

                  And, I have no idea whodunnit.
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26538

                    #54
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    Yes! - I'm absolutely hooked!
                    Me too, still. Got the last 3 or 4 lined up for a mini-binge.... (thereby frustrating the 'episodic' approach, I know!)
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Anna

                      #55
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      And, I have no idea whodunnit.
                      Nor have I - I just hope it doesn't disappoint when it comes to the denouement!! I'm still hooked, Sairey Gamp (Pauline Collins) is an absolute delight as is Fagin but I agree totally with ferney about the Bumbles. Edit: I had indeed quite forgot the plot in Bleak House so have removed what I wrote previously!
                      Last edited by Guest; 30-01-16, 17:13. Reason: Lost the plot

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26538

                        #56
                        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                        I am surprised that I want to keep watching. Can anyone explain its compulsion?
                        Perhaps lovely moments like the interview between Bucket and Dodger, culminating in the kindly yet menacing line

                        "You're a smart lad, change your path now, and you could live to see your 16th birthday"

                        (followed by Bucket realising Dodger's had it away with his wallet ... "The little ******" ...

                        Or when Bucket (having gone in quest of his wallet) turns to Fagin when leaving the room, and does his back in again: Fagin's line

                        "Careful my dear, you'll do yourself an injustice" (beautifully delivered by Anton Lesser, needless to say)

                        is a corker!

                        And then again, the leering Wegg to Mrs Gamp: "Perhaps you might find time to lay your healing hands once more upon my.... swollen appendage"




                        All the above were in the first 10 minutes of Ep. 9 which I just watched - yes, I find I have 5 stacked on the recorder




                        Originally posted by Anna View Post
                        Sairey Gamp (Pauline Collins) is an absolute delight
                        Her line "Fear not! Sairey shall watch over you!" made me think of a presiding figure not a million miles from here!


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                        Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 30-01-16, 21:11.
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • mercia
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 8920

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          "Perhaps you might find time to lay your healing hands once more upon my.... swollen appendage"

                          surely a line from the forthcoming "Carry On up The Old Curiosity Shop"

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                          • ardcarp
                            Late member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11102

                            #58
                            ...and there is still a legion of Dickensian characters (have Mr Pickwick and Sam Weller appeared yet?) for Bucket mistakenly to lock up.

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26538

                              #59
                              Originally posted by mercia View Post
                              surely a line from the forthcoming "Carry On up The Old Curiosity Shop"
                              Oo er, Missus Gamp!
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26538

                                #60
                                Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                                (have Mr Pickwick and Sam Weller appeared yet?)
                                Yes they were seen and heard briefly carousing in a back room of the 'Cripples' in the first episode, I think
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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