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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26538

    "Dickensian" - BBC1. Wonderful !

    After the first two episodes (two more to come this evening, then 16 more...!), I am an unconditional fan of this series.

    I wondered if Dr Who/Sherlock-like tricksiness might await (or the sort of overwrought, grandiose cliché & caricature that spoilt the 'And Then There Were None' Christie adaptation, so far at least).

    In fact I thought that it was beautifully well conceived and realised. I found that I was instantly convinced by (indeed, excited by) the premise - that many of Dickens’s characters were coexisting in London, and coincided and interacted in ways that didn’t make it into specific novels… That Little Nell’s grandfather, Silas Wegg, Mr Venus et al. were clients/debtors of Messrs. Scrooge & Marley; that the latter knew and had some trade with Fagin; that Mr Bumble and Fagin and Scrooge and Mr Pickwick and his mates all ate and drank in the same boozer… Likewise, the prequel setting - Marley still alive, the future Lady Dedlock canoodling with the future Nemo, and other familiar characters seen in their youth (I shan’t spoil a couple of the coups de théâtre… ). And all done in just the right style, I think.

    Can't wait for the rest....



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    Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 27-12-15, 14:26.
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

  • Anna

    #2
    I too saw Part the First - I worried that the throwaway references to Tulkinghorn and Jaggers (altho' I didn't catch anything about the Widders and Orphans of Chancery! ) might throw those who are not well versed in Dickens but then, subsequently, I decided to suspend all knowledge of former plots but remember the characters and treat it as a wonderful soap opera - of the type Dickens might have written (as his novels were of course published in weekly parts)

    I shall be watching too! Just the thing for apres-Christmas entertainment

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    • vinteuil
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      • Nov 2010
      • 12842

      #3
      ... no. Dickens was not Balzac.

      Back to the books! They're so much better...

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      • Nick Armstrong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 26538

        #4
        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        ... no.
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • Anna

          #5
          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
          Back to the books! They're so much better...
          Actually vints, if it causes so much of one person to seek out a book by Dickens - surely that must be a good thing? The power of the media, etc., even though this series is written by a scriptwriter from East Enders ..... ?

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          • vinteuil
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            • Nov 2010
            • 12842

            #6
            ... o yes, totes. And nuffink wrong with writing for Eastenders, neither!

            I think the books are triffic ; I thought this a silly enterprise.

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            • Anna

              #7
              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
              ... o yes, totes. .
              As in O yes, totes amazeballs? Oh, what a jolly wheeze - vints is finally getting down and dirty wid the yoof and - slang!!
              Bless you, I much preferred you aloof, with a hacking jacket (slant pockets natch) and silver topped cane making your way gingerly down The Goldhawk Road.

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              • Serial_Apologist
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                • Dec 2010
                • 37691

                #8
                Originally posted by Anna View Post
                As in O yes, totes amazeballs? Oh, what a jolly wheeze - vints is finally getting down and dirty wid the yoof and - slang!!
                Bless you, I much preferred you aloof, with a hacking jacket (slant pockets natch) and silver topped cane making your way gingerly down The Goldhawk Road.


                I think Vints (or anyone else for that matter) would stick out like a Thor sum attired thereby in The Bush.

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                • vinteuil
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12842

                  #9
                  ... o Anna - since my marriage I have acquired four step-children - and all the yoof speak which comes wiv, innit? I ain't no fogey, bruv!!!

                  But to return to our muttons - I think AA Gill got it : "This is such a winning idea, but it turned out to be really feeble television. The new plot was an egg box to keep overwrought performances in. And it was a salutary lesson that character comes from what people do, not who they are. Remove the circumstances that create character and you’re left with a series of mannerisms that mean little, a lot of actors wandering around like a convention of street mimes. It didn’t begin to work because no one belonged in the same frame as anyone else. Each made you yearn briefly for their original calling. It wasn’t helped by the fact that when actors see the name Dickens on a script, they think it is permission to turn up the volume to 11 and give it the full Jeremy Kyle."

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                  • Anna

                    #10
                    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                    I think AA Gill got it
                    Anyone who bases his opinion on AA Gill ........... hang on a mo, givvus a minute, I'll have to consult me King James for an appropriate proverb about people whose suits are lined with Hermes scarves and is a total .... :laugh

                    Look, me and Cali thought it was ok - OK?

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                    • Nick Armstrong
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26538

                      #11
                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                      I thought this a silly enterprise.
                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                      But to return to our muttons - I think AA Gill got it : "This is such a winning idea, but it turned out to be really feeble television. The new plot was an egg box to keep overwrought performances in. And it was a salutary lesson that character comes from what people do, not who they are. Remove the circumstances that create character and you’re left with a series of mannerisms that mean little, a lot of actors wandering around like a convention of street mimes. It didn’t begin to work because no one belonged in the same frame as anyone else. Each made you yearn briefly for their original calling. It wasn’t helped by the fact that when actors see the name Dickens on a script, they think it is permission to turn up the volume to 11 and give it the full Jeremy Kyle."
                      ... no.
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12842

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Anna View Post
                        Anyone who bases his opinion on AA Gill ...

                        Look, me and Cali thought it was ok - OK?
                        o, anyone who bases his opinion on Cali....

                        Meanwhile -

                        This 20-part drama looks beautiful but the idea, of taking Dickens characters out of their novels and finding something new for them to do, is mystifying. Plus, Agatha Christie’s And Then There Were None


                        [... but I think the Telegraph liked it ]




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                        Last edited by vinteuil; 27-12-15, 16:31.

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                        • Anna

                          #13
                          Actually vints, I prefer to base my opinions on what I think, not the opinions of some hacks on the Guardian who write for effect from a leftish point of view and making headlines ....
                          And a Happy Christmas to You!
                          Crikey Moses, Dickens has yet again caused brawling on the highway!
                          God Rest You, Merry Gentlemen!

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 37691

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Anna View Post
                            Actually vints, I prefer to base my opinions on what I think, not the opinions of some hacks on the Guardian who write for effect from a leftish point of view and making headlines ....
                            And a Happy Christmas to You!
                            Crikey Moses, Dickens has yet again caused brawling on the highway!
                            God Rest You, Merry Gentlemen!
                            Or, as Ronnie Scott used to say, "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you".

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20570

                              #15
                              This character, Nemo, in Bleak House?

                              I read the book, after several false starts, some years before the most recent BBC serialisation, and I don't remember Captain James Hawdon ever being called by this name. When I do a search on my Kobo e-reader to find the character in Bleak House, I am directed away from Dickens to Jules Verne. This seems to confirm my doubts. Was the name "Nemo" an addition by a TV scriptwriter?

                              Please help me. . .

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