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  • Gordon
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1425

    This from the 2014 Report again [page 68] covering On Line activities:



    where a cost of 8.6p per hourperson is given based on the production cost of £106.5M. After overheads this is £174.4M so the p/hrperson is 14.0p. This is why my first reaction was to be startled. Looking at this from the Online breakdown footnote, viz:

    "BBC Online spend is monitored by annexe (relating to editorial areas of the service). Non-annexe spend covers costs relating to central editorial activities such as the BBC Homepage, technologies which operate across the service and overheads. The spend for each annexe was: News, Sport & Weather £47.8million (2013: £43.8million), Childrens £9.3million (2013: £8.5million), Knowledge & Learning £15.7million (2013: £18.7million), TV & iPlayer £11.1million (2013: £12.2million) and Audio & Music £11.7million (2013: 13.3million), giving a total annexe spend of £95.6million (2013: £96.5million). Non-annexe spend was £10.9million (2013: £6.5million)"

    Extracting only those costs that involve TV and Radio consumption, that is audio visual and not pure web content, IOW the iPlayer, the costs are £22.8M [the sum of 2 bold figures above] of the £106.5M so reducing the 14p to about 3p including overheads. Because we don't know the actual hours this is at best an estimate.

    This is an annual cost so 1 hour a day for 1.5M people [somewhere it says that many use the Player] would be £22.8M/(1.5M*365) or about 4p/personhour. So perhaps they assume 1 hour a day in the absence of any data, typical duration of a programme? Anyway this cost is perhaps more reasonable for streaming TV, radio and catch-up. The Trust acknowledge that streaming is at a low level at present but is is expected to grow [if allowed] but although that means more people and more hours it could also attract more cost so it is hard to know which way the 4p would go. This 4p is additional to the basic cost of making R3 in the first place. Added to all that is the fact that internet coverage and quality of service is nowhere near that of the other distribution media.

    But note in my #169, the lower table, the distribution cost of Online is £49M for it all; about 20% of this is attributable to streaming so about £10M, comparable to R3.

    This is worth a read; it refers to an interview with Whittingdale:

    The long read: Under attack from a government intent on reducing its size and besieged by commercial rivals, the broadcaster has been forced to justify its very existence
    Last edited by Gordon; 14-07-15, 14:54.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30292

      Those aren't the new figures, published today, are they?

      R3's expenditure has come out at about £2m less than R1's even though I think their service budgets are the same - £40m.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Gordon
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1425

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Those aren't the new figures, published today, are they?

        R3's expenditure has come out at about £2m less than R1's even though I think their service budgets are the same - £40m.
        All my quotes are from the 2013/4 report which I had already. The pence per person hour for Radio have hardly changed. The Online charges have hiked a bit 106.5 to 124.6 [no o/hs, 201M with] but the pence per person hour are now 5.9 down from 8.6 and the streaming component is up from 22.8M to 27.8M. R3 has become a bit cheaper to run. All distribution costs are down, R3 from 10 to 6M.

        I see the new report has just been posted here:

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30292

          Yes, the report was published today (I thought that was why you'd posted the figures )

          Anyway, interesting. The new service licences have also been published this month. Contrary to all predictions (I made no prediction ) Radio 3, and Radio 2 had their service budgets marginally increased, Radio 1, Radio 4 and Radio 5 Live lost out, especially Radio 5 Live which has been drastically cut since 2006/07.

          More interesting, last year (2014/15) Radio 3 was the most prudent and spent only 96% of its content budget (it could have spent 110%). I've done a chart showing the service budget for the past year, the expenditure for the past year and the new budgets for this current year.

          For this current year, Radio 2 has now overtaken Radio 5 Live in allowable expenditure. Compare that with when service budgets were first published, 2006/07: Radio 2 £37.4m, Radio 5 Live £60.7m. So 9 years on, Radio 5 Live has only 62% to spend. Now, that's a cut!

          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8785

            Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
            R4 drive time has about 4min/hour + extra in program placements - not quite at CFM level (yet)
            R3 tends to be about 1 - 2 min/hour but I've not listened to drive time programs for a long time so this may have increased to R4 norm - the catch with R3 adverts is they totally destroy the listening experience (at least for me - this is especially true of those with conflicting musical genres and oft repeated plugs)
            As research I have just listened to CFM between 07.30 and 08.05 and it was awash with adverts not only for a range of cars, audio equipment and the like but also CFM's own apps and programmes. There are also traffic updates, from the papers and the news on the hour seems quite long with interviews etc. In fact by the time we had been through this and, of course, some more adverts it was 08.05 before music appeared on the crowded scene again. Lots of chestnuts.........back to Tree Lawn with indecent haste

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30292

              Originally posted by antongould View Post
              As research I have just listened to CFM between 07.30 and 08.05 and it was awash with adverts not only for a range of cars, audio equipment and the like but also CFM's own apps and programmes. There are also traffic updates, from the papers and the news on the hour seems quite long with interviews etc. In fact by the time we had been through this and, of course, some more adverts it was 08.05 before music appeared on the crowded scene again. Lots of chestnuts.........back to Tree Lawn with indecent haste
              Of course: the adverts are the main things that chase the CFM listeners away. That's why Radio 3 seems a good alternative as long as it has similar programmes minus the adverts. Nothing too (musically) off-putting. We've seen this discussed on mumsnet so it must be true
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37687

                Tonight's Moral Maze on Radio 4 (8 pm) was announced on Today as having the future of the Beeb as its subject.

                The Michael Buerk-chaired debate between Matthew Taylor, Giles Fraser, Anne McElvoy and Jill Kirby promises to be truly enthralling, no doubt...

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                • Richard Tarleton

                  I loved Michael Buerk's sign-off - "The BBC sniffs the hand that feeds it"

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                  • subcontrabass
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 2780

                    Green Paper now available: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...tation_WEB.pdf

                    Press release: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...-future-of-bbc

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30292

                      Originally posted by subcontrabass View Post
                      Oops, missed that - thanks scb. Just about to have lunch …
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Zucchini
                        Guest
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 917

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        Oops, missed that - thanks scb. Just about to have lunch …
                        Fascinating news

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37687

                          I was around last time a review took place in 2006, but I don't remember being encouraged to be part of any consultation process. Admittedly that was before joining the forum initiated serious thinking about these issues on my part. I hope that the BBC encourages confidence to participate, and right from the start onwards does not automatically foreclose alternative ways of framing the debate that are likely to come up, given that creative options often emerge outside the box, to coin a cliche.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30292

                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            I was around last time a review took place in 2006, but I don't remember being encouraged to be part of any consultation process.
                            There was a 'public consultation' and FoR3 sent in a submission
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • teamsaint
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 25209

                              The first thing that strikes me is that the suggestion that R1 and R2 seems to be one of the first things " put out there".
                              By whom? and why ?

                              R2 seems to offer, at pretty modest cost, a hugely popular, decent quality MOR pop offering with some of the country's most popular presenters. Now popularity isn't everything, but it does seem to me to offer a quality of service that the commercial sector doesn't match, and which is much enjoyed by the people who actually pay for the service. R2 also offers some specialist programming that represent the good things about public service broadcasting, EG Paul Jones R and B show.

                              So why does it seem to be in the firing line ? suspicious cat might raise a quizzical eyebrow......
                              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30292

                                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                                The first thing that strikes me is that the suggestion that R1 and R2 seems to be one of the first things " put out there". ...

                                So why does it seem to be in the firing line ? suspicious cat might raise a quizzical eyebrow......
                                What are the alternatives? Radio 3 and Radio 4?
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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