Other music on telly

[teamsaint]

the BBC 2 remit is for 150 hours a year of Arts and Music Programming.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/regulatory_framework/service_licences/tv/2014/bbctwo_apr14.pdf

BBC 1 is 40 hours.

So the major channel which focuses on these areas is tasked with showing, ( not producing) 3 hours of arts and music a week.

BBC 4 has to show 150 hours a year of new arts and music programming.

I can't see in the remit what counts, but I assume that a new programme on BBC 4 repeated on BBC2 counts in the ( bloody pitiful) 150 hours PA for each station.
Perhaps FF can clarify this?

those remits would include Glastonbury and the Proms, (reasonably enough) and I bet they take a big chunk of the requirement.

[Richard Tarleton]

So 340 hours per year (BBC2/4 combined) compared to 100 hours per week on Sky. Glastonbury - what, 3 days of coverage? Proms - precious little on TV.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I don't understand Morrison's closing comment; "without any licence fee subsidy". Do the two Sky Arts' "subscription channel" not charge for the subscription? Is there no "subsidy" from the huge Fox/Murdoch empire? Is it a charity?

[Richard Tarleton]

I don't understand Morrison's closing comment; "without any licence fee subsidy". Do the two Sky Arts' "subscription channel" not charge for the subscription? Is there no "subsidy" from the huge Fox/Murdoch empire? Is it a charity?

Ferney, I couldn't reproduce the whole article, which is mostly about what the BBC is not doing in spite of the license fee, and how it is not living up to Tony Hall's promises. You don't have to pay a subscription to Sky, you do have to pay for a license (if you have a TV). Sky deserves credit for its two arts channels, which put the BBC to shame.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

You don't have to pay a subscription to Sky

Really? I genuinely didn't know this. How does anyone - who should so wish - access the programmes?

I share your dismay at the fact that, with more television channels than existed in the 70s and 80s, there is less Arts broadcasting: I agree that this is reprehensible and something that Tony Hall needs to redress.


I just get very defensive when Murdoch product is used to wallop the Beeb.

[Richard Tarleton]

Really? I genuinely didn't know this. How does anyone - who should so wish - access the programmes?

Ferney, you're being deliberately dim It's a subscription service. You don't have to subscribe. In which case you don't get the service. A bit like, say, Gramophone magazine. You have to subscribe to the Beeb, whether you like it or not, regardless of how bad its arts coverage is.

I just get very defensive when Murdoch product is used to wallop the Beeb.

All I can say to that is that the Beeb could and should do better.

I've heard Melvyn say much the same.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Ferney, you're being deliberately dim

I wish - I was in reality being quite involuntarily dim in that I actually understood your "you don't have to subscribe" to mean it was a "Freeview" service, and my question was quite sincere.

All I can say to that is that the Beeb could and should do better.

And I am in heartfelt and total agreement with this statement.

[teamsaint]

I wish - I was in reality being quite involuntarily dim in that I actually understood your "you don't have to subscribe" to mean it was a "Freeview" service, and my question was quite sincere.


And I am in heartfelt and total agreement with this statement.

Those with a keen appetite for SKY arts, but who dont wish to fund the murdoch empire, might usefully look around for a friend or relative who has the subscription channels, and see if they have a spare Sky Go account.

Sky subscribers can view their channels On laptops , PCs etc, by logging in to their Sky account, on SKY go.

EG, I have SKY, ( never paid more than 50% of the full subscription , but that is another story).
My two lads live away from home, but can watch the footy on their laptop/ kindle by logging into my account).

[Don Petter]

My two lads live away from home, but can watch the footy on their laptop/ kindle by logging into my account).

Do they only watch footy, or do they have Sky divers tastes?

[Richard Tarleton]

And I am in heartfelt and total agreement with this statement.

And apologies for my lack of clarity in that case ferney.

We got Sky in the first place because we had an extremely poor terrestrial signal in our location, it was that or nothing (before there was such a thing as Freeview or Freesat). I paid a bit extra to start with (2000 or so) to receive Jeremy Isaacs' Arts Channel. That folded, but in due course Sky set up....two Arts channels.

[aeolium]

I agree with RT's criticism of the BBC's failure in respect of arts coverage - though Hall has pledged a greater degree of co-operation with arts companies so there is some hope of improvement - but I do not personally wish to contribute a penny to the coffers of the appalling corporation of which Murdoch is the Executive Chairman. I am currently reading Nick Davies' Flat Earth News, and the shameful picture he paints of the precipitous decline in news standards of reputable papers which were taken over by Murdoch - not to mention the tabloids - shows some measure of the corruption which this man has brought to the public life of this country (and plenty of others, witness the ludicrous example of Fox News in America). As someone who values the arts not least for their ability to express truths about humanity and the human experience, I cannot subscribe to the Sky Arts channels and close my eyes to the fact that these are channels ultimately under the ownership of a corporation and a man who care nothing for the truth and have even devoted a lot of money and time to spreading a malign propaganda and philosophy, with sadly too great an impact.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

did Sky get into the arts when it saw the premium ad rates that HBO could charge in the USA; arts pulls in the ABC1 audiences eh?

[MrGongGong]

Could someone tell me exactly how many pieces of music Sky have commissioned in the last 10 years?

[teamsaint]

Could someone tell me exactly how many pieces of music Sky have commissioned in the last 10 years?

or how much money they have paid in performing rights etc?

[VodkaDilc]

I have always found the strong feeling against Sky on this forum difficult to understand (PLEASE don't repeat the arguments for me) and in complete variance with the public at large, who accept Sky without complaint - indeed with deep gratitude.

The range of channels is unrivalled and includes the two Arts Channels, Sky Atlantic and most of the channels available elsewhere - all through an efficient and reliable broadcasting system. It's time for us all to accept that Sky is central to television (and radio) in the UK and beyond.