Music, Mischief and Morals in the C18 - BBC4 programme

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  • aeolium
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3992

    Music, Mischief and Morals in the C18 - BBC4 programme

    Did anyone else watch this programme presented by Suzy Klein last night? I thought it wasn't bad, with quite a lot of musical examples (beautifully sung, too, especially by Iestyn Davies) and some interesting insights into e.g. the origins of Rule Britannia and God Save the King. There were some gimmicky bits, worst of all the gruesome attempt by SK to pose as an C18 ballad-singer, but it was a decent overview of the early C18 development of music in London.
  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    #2
    watched intermittently and disliked the balladeering, though it was courageous, as well .... music was imv also rather good ...
    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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    • Stan Drews
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 79

      #3
      Just caught up. Not bad, but would have liked to have had input from Lucie Skeaping.

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      • Mary Chambers
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1963

        #4
        I enjoyed it, even though I could predict what was coming next much of the time. ('Next, The Beggar's Opera'). She's a lively presenter, and unlike others here I thought her attempt at ballad singing was rather good. Iestyn Davies was, as usual, immaculate - does he ever have an off-day? - and Allan Clayton also sang most beautifully, especially Tom Bowling.

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26538

          #5
          Originally posted by Mary Chambers View Post
          Allan Clayton also sang most beautifully, especially Tom Bowling.
          The latter was the highlight for me, I've kept that 2 minutes of lovely singing on my hard drive - that final phrase "aloft..."
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Rupert P Matley

            #6
            I generally found it informative and interesting but for me there were too many shots of Suzy Klein where there needn't have been, i.e, when interviewees were talking and when she was listening to others performing.

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            • Barbirollians
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 11691

              #7
              Originally posted by Rupert P Matley View Post
              I generally found it informative and interesting but for me there were too many shots of Suzy Klein where there needn't have been, i.e, when interviewees were talking and when she was listening to others performing.
              I agree that was very irritating and her endless location shots - they could have saved a few quid - did we really need to see her squelching in Rossendale ?

              Good programme generally - the only real disappointment was apart from the brief piece on Haydn there was very little about foreign influences .

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              • Ariosto

                #8
                Originally posted by Rupert P Matley View Post
                I generally found it informative and interesting but for me there were too many shots of Suzy Klein where there needn't have been, i.e, when interviewees were talking and when she was listening to others performing.
                I did not see this programme as I can't stand Soozy InKlein at the best of times and she is a dreadful pianist. Sorry about that. Just thought i would mention it ...

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30301

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rupert P Matley View Post
                  I generally found it informative and interesting but for me there were too many shots of Suzy Klein where there needn't have been, i.e, when interviewees were talking and when she was listening to others performing.
                  Everything you always wanted to know ...


                  The broadcast media (not just the BBC) regard presenters as crucial to the quality of programmes. For some audiences is probably true, but they also account for a lot of irritation (however 'popular' they are)
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Ariosto

                    #10
                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    Everything you always wanted to know ...


                    The broadcast media (not just the BBC) regard presenters as crucial to the quality of programmes. For some audiences is probably true, but they also account for a lot of irritation (however 'popular' they are)
                    I did not really want to know all of that, but it fits. (Poor kids!) Must just make sure I avoid anything she does, if its possible.

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                    • Sir Velo
                      Full Member
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 3229

                      #11
                      Originally posted by french frank View Post


                      I think you were rather too kind on Schmoozy Kline, FF, by omitting to quote these choice snippets:

                      "Best show on the radio?

                      Zane Lowe on Radio 1.

                      FIVE FAVOURITE THINGS?

                      Radio 3 on in the background

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                      • Ariosto

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post


                        I think you were rather too kind on Schmoozy Kline, FF, by omitting to quote these choice snippets:

                        "Best show on the radio?

                        Zane Lowe on Radio 1.

                        FIVE FAVOURITE THINGS?

                        Radio 3 on in the background

                        Absolutely, she really did drop a few clangers there! I wanted to mention them but didn't and I'm pleased you did!

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30301

                          #13
                          I think the idea was to increase the street cred rather than impress Radio 3 listeners. However, the target audience for Radio 1 is 15-29, so at 39 she is 'supposed' to have graduated to Stuart Maconie on 6 Music.

                          I think it may be said that many of the Radio 3 presenters are capable broadcasters but I'm afraid the age of appointing staff because they are highly knowledgeable about classical music is long past (jazz and world music are, in this respect, better served).
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • mercia
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8920

                            #14
                            an Oxford First Class (Hons) in music.

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                            • Ariosto

                              #15
                              So what!

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