Not on Radio 3 - Bloomsday

[Guest]

I don't think this is mentioned anywhere here yet but I thought it worth highlighting. Not, however, on Radio 3 where, once upon a time, it would have been!

http://tinyurl.com/cqvru97

Austin

[french frank]

Hmmm. Back in 2007 when Radio 3's first service licence was put out for consultation, we made the suggestion that 'Drama, the arts and ideas should form an essential part of its core output', rather than be described in the phrase that they should 'also feature'. We gave four reasons.

But the suggestion was ignored and I get the feeling that Radio 3 is being repositioned as a 'music station' only. As long as they have a Sunday play and Night Waves they can deny it, but there isn't a lot more. Radio 4 is increasingly the station for music talks and anything literary (sadly, I don't think of The Verb as 'literary').

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

thank you for the head's up

[Lateralthinking1]

I don't think this is mentioned anywhere here yet but I thought it worth highlighting. Not, however, on Radio 3 where, once upon a time, it would have been!

http://tinyurl.com/cqvru97

Austin

Austin - Thank you for the information. I have 'Ulysses' on my book shelf but have never read it in full.

The biography of James Joyce was broadcast on Radio 4 last year. A musical version of Ulysses by Burgess was broadcast on Radio 3 in 1982.

frenchfrank - Could we call this section "Aural Arts (Mainly Radio 3)"?

[french frank]

Actually, I've just looked at the programme in full. Total Immersion (almost)! - I wonder how it will go down with the Radio 4 audience ... .


Lat - I'll amend the description of the forum, rather than the title. James Joyce is still R3 Arts, even when it's on R4

[Lateralthinking1]

Actually, I've just looked at the programme in full. Total Immersion (almost)! - I wonder how it will go down with the Radio 4 audience ... .

Here it is in the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153036/Next-Radio-4-Ulysses-Station-overhauls-schedule-half-hour-adaptation-Joyce-masterpiece.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

The answer to your question is most will hate it. We and they know that from experience. Perhaps we need a formal written line about our view on station placing for when Santa drops in the lorry load of sacks to Roger Bolton?

[french frank]

The answer to your question is most will hate it. We and they know that from experience.

I think there's a much more convincing rationale for a 'Bloomsday' in that a single work is involved and getting an idea of its totality is better all in one go. That needn't involve 12 or 24 hours non-stop. Or reading the entire book in one stretch.

[Lateralthinking1]

I think there's a much more convincing rationale for a 'Bloomsday'

Sorry, do you feel that applies to 4, or would do to 3, or both?

R4 have had these marathon days before and, as a policy move, it also recalls R3's "The Spirit of Schubert". Not at all keen on them myself.

When actually is R3's service licence due for renewal and hence next consultation?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

R4 have had these marathon days before and, as a policy move, it also recalls R3's "The Spirit of Schubert". Not at all keen on them myself.

It's not a "'thon", though, is it? Five-and-a-half hours on a single work? About the time needed for a performance of Les Troyens with "features" on Berlioz and the writing and performance history of the work in the intervals would reach the seven-hour mark. Classic Radio 3, IMO.

[french frank]

Sorry, do you feel that applies to 4, or would do to 3, or both?

I wasn't referring to a particular station. I simply meant that the novel which lasts a day gives a rationale for programming stretched over that day - 16th June. That doesn't apply to 12 days of Mozart or 8 days of Schubert. There's no imperative to listen to all of Mozart's music - ever; or all Schubert's: but to 'know' Ulysses you have to be familiar with it in its entirety (I'm not, btw ). Cramming as much as you can as meaningfully as you can into a day makes some sort of 'sense'.

When actually is R3's service licence due for renewal and hence next consultation?

We've just had it. It would make for a thread on its own (and probably has - I forget). A major point at issue which touches Austin's chosen thread title was that they refuse to publish the submission of BBC management regarding full proposals for Radio 3. The station may become more and more appealing to more and more people, and less and less appealing to existing Radio 3/classical music listeners. And the arts will have shifted to Radio 4...

[amateur51]

It's not a "'thon", though, is it? Five-and-a-half hours on a single work? About the time needed for a performance of Les Troyens with "features" on Berlioz and the writing and performance history of the work in the intervals. Classic Radio 3, IMO.

I've got to the stage where I don't give a tinker's cuss where it is as long as it IS!

Not sure about the Mark Lawson bit - isn't David Norris (not David Owen Norris) the man for the job? I just wish that Mark would listen to the answers to his well-made questions and respond to them instead of ploughing on 'and ninthly' style

Looking forward to it wherever it is

I haven't read it all either

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I've got to the stage where I don't give a tinker's cuss where it is as long as it IS!

[Lateralthinking1]

And the arts will have shifted to Radio 4...

So is the formal FoR3 line - not necessarily the majority view on this forum but it might be - that things like this should be on R3, as implied in Austin's post and more explicitly stated by ferney in his first post?

I agree with them but what do we drop from the daytime Sunday schedule? It would cut into the classical music.

[french frank]

So is the formal FoR3 line - not necessarily the majority view on this forum but it might be - that things like this should be on R3, as implied in Austin's post and more explicitly stated by ferney in his first post?.

It absolutely is because Radio 4 has its schedule and it won't drop regular programming to make way for extra - serious - arts programmes or regular full length drama. There will just be, overall, less of it.

It was like the argument that a programme like 'Brian Kay's Light Programme' should be on Radio 2, not Radio 3. As a principle, I might agree with that, but I hesitated to endorse it because the reality was that if it was dropped by Radio 3 it wouldn't be taken up by Radio 2. Far from it - R2 was trying to drop light orchestral music, and has dropped most of it.

R4 is a mass audience station and it won't do too much that is going to bore or upset its middle-of-the-road 'core' audience.

[amateur51]

May I send you the detailed brochure for Grumpy If Roused But Essentially Chilled Old Men, ferney?

You may be too young now but file it away until the time comes