Drama to be eradicated from Radio 3

[Sir Velo]

Yes, one of my sons spent Xmas dinner with his future in-laws and was shocked. 'What! You don't have the (then) Queen ? ' he berated them.

I trust they replied that they saw it for what it was: an establishment trick to keep us in all our place by engendering a fake sense of mutual identification?

[vinteuil]

I always find five minutes for my King. I like to hear what he has to say.

... why? (genuine question)

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[Serial_Apologist]

Yes, one of my sons spent Xmas dinner with his future in-laws and was shocked. 'What! You don't have the (then) Queen ? ' he berated them. They do it now.

I've found the King's messages less predictable and more moving than the Queen's. I know he's speaking to everyone but I do feel he's speaking to me. I gave Xmas a miss this year, no tree, no turkey etc. but I always find five minutes for my King. I like to hear what he has to say.

He's supposed to be everyone's king!

[smittims]

Yes, one of my sons spent Xmas dinner with his future in-laws and was shocked. 'What! You don't have the (then) Queen ? ' he berated them. They do it now.

I've found the King's messages less predictable and more moving than the Queen's. I know he's speaking to everyone but I do feel he's speaking to me. I gave Xmas a miss this year, no tree, no turkey etc. but I always find five minutes for my King. I like to hear what he has to say.

[LMcD]

... I suspect the world is divided into those for whom listening to HMQ or HMK on christmas day is 'a thing', and those for whom it is not.

In seventy two years I have never knowingly listened to the monarch on 25 December....

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They're both much more enjoyable than PMQs.

[vinteuil]

The King on Xmas Day!

... I suspect the world is divided into those for whom listening to HMQ or HMK on christmas day is 'a thing', and those for whom it is not.

In seventy two years I have never knowingly listened to the monarch on 25 December....

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[smittims]

Really, something should have been done about the licence fee in 1956 when ITV started and people began to say 'I don't need the BBC to watch TV'. But it's been allowed to go on becoming more and more of an anchronism.

I'm glad Radio 4 is still broadcast on Long Wave,as I have a good LW radio use for Woman's Hour and The King on Xmas Day!

[vinteuil]

Trouble is every one wants every thing but there’s not enough money to pay for it and not enough people are willing to …

... not sure that this is cheering news (pretty sure it isn't, for those of us in the niche audience that is Radio Three... )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3wwkdnddzo

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[Ein Heldenleben]

Not at all sure I agree.
I might not listen to Don3 and might criticise the BBCS, but that does not and should not stop me saying that both should exist, as they provide a valuable service that ought to be part of R3's remit.

Trouble is every one wants every thing but there’s not enough money to pay for it and not enough people are willing to

To put things in context . This is what happened to the UK originated broadcast world in the last ten years or so.
These are or were programmes made in the UK for people in the UK but ones that have little foreign sales potential

The complete disappearance of non news English regional TV on BBC and ITV and severe cuts to national programmes in Wales , Scotland and NI. Some of these programmes got millions of viewers and were absolutely pure public service broadcasting

At least a 30 percent cut in the amount of Arts and music docs with the exception of pop

The complete disappearance of religious programmes with the exception of Songs Of Praise and a few rather wishy washy pilgrimage docs.

the disappearance of science progs from ITV and a severe cut on C4

At least a 30 percent cut in local radio - a service that still gets 3 times R3’s audience..

I could keep going on and on and list the news cuts , the dearth of serious docs , classic drama .

two genres that are booming - drama especially ones with foreign potential. And above all sport . The Sky footy contract would keep R3 going for millennia …

[Ein Heldenleben]

It's the value, to itself, which the BBC places on its content that's the problem. But take a hardback book: it's a more expensive product because it's the quality/longevity that costs. More people prefer to pay less and get a product that suits them better: it doesn't matter if it falls to pieces because they probably won't want to read it again. In terms of radio, R1 content gets a bigger slice of the budget (moreso with the various R1 spin-offs) than R3. The BBC has placed progressively less 'value' - to itself - on 'classical' arts content, music, literature &c and more on mass audience entertainment. That makes R3's dedicated content expendable. Ditch regular long-form drama on television, then on R3 - and that means it's only available in live theatres - when they aren't offering popular 'shows' to pull in the crowds.



But radio makes the content equally available to the less well-off who can't afford to travel to see live opera, or have no opportunity to go to a concert. Provide less and less for such audiences and lo! the less and less interested they are in it so we don't need to provide for them. And as so FEW people want 'high culture', we don't need to provide it because ... erm ...those who want it can afford it anyway.



But they think in terms of 'social grades'. If they didn't, what would be the point of researching it?



Where "Unite the Nation" means "Gets the widest, ergo biggest, audiences"! I would accept that some one-off occasions unite the nation - royal weddings, funerals &c, even though some people have incidental reasons for not being interested. But Morecambe and Wise, Dad’s Army and Gavin and Stacey are not one-offs: they're just popular comedy shows.

They only think in terms of social grades because that’s how all surveys are based in order to get an accurate reflection of opinion. No one thinks this programme needs to be aimed at AB1 males .
There has been a lot of research done on the BBC viewership and in particular support for the licence fee, What it consistently reveals is that it’s audiences tend to be skewed ABC1 and support for the fee is higher in these groups.Its also geographic - much more support in the South then the North . Surprisingly despite the large sums spent there support is weak in Scotland - though that might be bound up in independence issues,
A lot of work has been done on the idea that fhis slightly skewed audience is super- served . A lot of us thought a northern based soap was pretty much essential but it’s never happened, Why does any of this matter? - because if the BBC One audience erodes much further the future is almost certainly some from of non compulsory subscription and in those circumstances I can’t see Radio 3 surviving at all,

Incidentally all the work the BBC has done on moving work to the Nations and increasing diversity in terms of representation hasn’t moved the dial at all in terms of licence fee support . The streamers are now so pervasive and all powerful I can see both C5 and C4 disappearing and ITV subsumed into an Apple or Prime stream service with maybe a bit of token news.

[french frank]

Yes it’s overly obsessed with demographics but there has to be some way of determining who the audience is and social surveys and audience figures based on class gender and age are very consistent in their results .

It's the value, to itself, which the BBC places on its content that's the problem. But take a hardback book: it's a more expensive product because it's the quality/longevity that costs. More people prefer to pay less and get a product that suits them better: it doesn't matter if it falls to pieces because they probably won't want to read it again. In terms of radio, R1 content gets a bigger slice of the budget (moreso with the various R1 spin-offs) than R3. The BBC has placed progressively less 'value' - to itself - on 'classical' arts content, music, literature &c and more on mass audience entertainment. That makes R3's dedicated content expendable. Ditch regular long-form drama on television, then on R3 - and that means it's only available in live theatres - when they aren't offering popular 'shows' to pull in the crowds.

The audience for Radio 3 is mouth-wateringly (from an advertisers point of view ) made up of AB1s with a high discretionary spend as the kids have left home.

But radio makes the content equally available to the less well-off who can't afford to travel to see live opera, or have no opportunity to go to a concert. Provide less and less for such audiences and lo! the less and less interested they are in it so we don't need to provide for them. And as so FEW people want 'high culture', we don't need to provide it because ... erm ...those who want it can afford it anyway.

No one uses the word “class “ in relation to programme making ...

But they think in terms of 'social grades'. If they didn't, what would be the point of researching it?

The holy grail of course are “unite the Nation “ moments like Morecambe and Wise , Dad’s Army , Gavin and Stacey et al.

Where "Unite the Nation" means "Gets the widest, ergo biggest, audiences"! I would accept that some one-off occasions unite the nation - royal weddings, funerals &c, even though some people have incidental reasons for not being interested. But Morecambe and Wise, Dad’s Army and Gavin and Stacey are not one-offs: they're just popular comedy shows.

[Pulcinella]

I think the BBC definitely takes account of public pressure especially when lobbied over issues where there is a particular sensitivity like the BBC singers. Where I raise an eyebrow is when those protests come from those who never listen to Drama On Three or indeed the BBC Singers. Indeed there are quite a a few people who don’t like the sound the latter make (“too operatic”). I have listened to both in the last year and value both but why should there be any sacred cows? .

I suspect a lot of people just like jumping on the “BBC is wrecking our culture “bandwagon when the reality is the money is running out rapidly. And that’s an explicitly political decision - to reduce the BBC’s culture and influence. Fine the BBC is far from perfect but good luck in a media world run by the Musks and the Zuckerbergs.

I don’t agree with either drama or classical music being cut but my sympathies really lie with the estimated 70 per cent of people in the TV factual production business , where I worked for forty years, currently either unemployed or working in other jobs. No one seems to give a stuff about them.

Not at all sure I agree.
I might not listen to Don3 and might criticise the BBCS, but that does not and should not stop me saying that both should exist, as they provide a valuable service that ought to be part of R3's remit.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Thanks EH. I had assumed that the Shipping Forecast was also derived from the Meteo contract, which (as you say) has a cost to it. I was being slightly (I hope) provocative as I was also thinking How come he R4 audience can successfully demand the retention of the Shipping Forecast when we here are assuming Drama on 3 can't be rescued!. And they managed to keep R4 on Long Wave for a while!

I think the BBC definitely takes account of public pressure especially when lobbied over issues where there is a particular sensitivity like the BBC singers. Where I raise an eyebrow is when those protests come from those who never listen to Drama On Three or indeed the BBC Singers. Indeed there are quite a a few people who don’t like the sound the latter make (“too operatic”). I have listened to both in the last year and value both but why should there be any sacred cows? .

I suspect a lot of people just like jumping on the “BBC is wrecking our culture “bandwagon when the reality is the money is running out rapidly. And that’s an explicitly political decision - to reduce the BBC’s culture and influence. Fine the BBC is far from perfect but good luck in a media world run by the Musks and the Zuckerbergs.

I don’t agree with either drama or classical music being cut but my sympathies really lie with the estimated 70 per cent of people in the TV factual production business , where I worked for forty years, currently either unemployed or working in other jobs. No one seems to give a stuff about them.

[kernelbogey]

Thanks EH. I had assumed that the Shipping Forecast was also derived from the Meteo contract, which (as you say) has a cost to it. I was being slightly (I hope) provocative as I was also thinking How come he R4 audience can successfully demand the retention of the Shipping Forecast when we here are assuming Drama on 3 can't be rescued!. And they managed to keep R4 on Long Wave for a while!

[Ein Heldenleben]

Really? Nothing?

Pretty much. It’s read by a continuity announcer who’d be there any way . It’s a straight read so has minimal production costs other than the cost of the forecast itself . That’s produced by the Met Office and the I guess the BBC will have some sort of licence to broadcast it. I don’t think it’s produced specifically for that as it aso appears in the Met website so the costs will be small.
The BBC’s main weather contract is with Meteo and that does run into many millions. Those forecasts are reworked into TV and radio forecasts by forecasters employed by the BBC many of whom are ex Met Office . That is a big operation and the cost is significant. But because they are on air for hours a day - the network TV and regional TV forecasts must be longest straight live reads in broadcasting - the cost per hour is tiny.

Interesting article in the Telegraph today comparing the accuracy of BBC Meteo and Met apps

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/16/bbc-v-met-office-who-predicts-the-weather-better/