Radio 3 schedule changes (‘edging away from speech')

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  • Andrew Slater
    Full Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1797

    Originally posted by LMcD View Post

    On the subject of 'Classical Live', might it prove to be a sort of Through The Night With trailers ?
    As I posted on the CE thread, I think it will be Afternoon Concert under a different name - just look at yesterday's playlist: recordings from the BBC and the EBU.​
    (Actually there seem to have been a number of full works and only two snippets, judging from the playlist - are things improving?)
    Last edited by Andrew Slater; 27-02-24, 15:16.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
      Full Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 6932

      Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post

      As I posted on the CE thread, I think it will be Afternoon Concert under a different name - just look at yesterday's playlist: recordings from the BBC and the EBU.​
      (Actually there seem to have been a number of full works and only two snippets, judging from the playlist - are things improving?)
      Sometimes difficult to tell from the listings as a complete work is often broken up into chunks. The 3.00 complete “big” work seems inviolate however : Brahms PC No 1 today - nicely played.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30455

        Widening the musical range, introducing 'popular' presenters and, especially, introducing various forms of 'light/popular' (tbd) music has been a gamble that R3 management has been playing for 30 years to increase listenership and it hasn't worked yet; but who knows? if they keep spinning the wheel ...
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • oddoneout
          Full Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 9271

          Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

          Sometimes difficult to tell from the listings as a complete work is often broken up into chunks. The 3.00 complete “big” work seems inviolate however : Brahms PC No 1 today - nicely played.
          Canteloube's Songs of the Auvergne/Chants d'Auvergne(they can't seem to decide which to use) is the dissection subject this week, and as a series of songs it isn't nearly so obvious - no movement/act/ section numbers. The programme blurb doesn't include the snippets and infills, which only appear after the event in the music played version, so looks more considered than the end result.

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37812

            Originally posted by Hitch View Post
            Radio 3 has to deal with the small matter of, oh, I don't know, a millennium of music, most of which needs putting in context by experts because it is from the distant past.
            Agreed - apart from "...in the distant past", given that there is still a lot of "contemporary classical or art music", as revealed weekly in "The New Music Show", and a great deal more besides, as RichardB pointed out during his time on here. So it's that question of situating contemporary "serious" music in its millennial lineage - something which the old Radio 3 was very good at doing, and could be again. After all, quite a bit of the jazz and certainly of other Western music genres would be the worse for its not having existed, surely. Radio 3 could continue doing for this particular end of culture what it (and increasingly now Radio 4) did and still does for the wider cultural sphere. The only possible objection from the "modernisers" () could be that such an approach would over-concentrate on the European perspective at the expense of the cultures its colonsers tried to dominate and wipe out, but the time could be right for more literally enlightened perspectives on the place of the pre- and post-Enlightenment artistic artifact to come out in Radio 3 broadcast discussions. The question as to where and if these manifestations of what was once considered at their best to represent the epitome of history in our hierarchy of thinking needs rescuing, warts and all, from the false apologetics of far right ideology, when it is not pretending to populism.
            Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 27-02-24, 17:27.

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            • Russ
              Full Member
              • Nov 2023
              • 22

              Sending a message to R4's Feedback programme is one of life's fruitless actions, but I've done it. (And at least I can feel suitably smug for having done so.)

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              • Hitch
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 374

                Serial_Apologist I did say "most". Agree that all of it could (and perhaps should) be put in context whatever its date and origin.

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                • Ein Heldenleben
                  Full Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 6932

                  Originally posted by Russ View Post
                  Sending a message to R4's Feedback programme is one of life's fruitless actions, but I've done it. (And at least I can feel suitably smug for having done so.)
                  Good luck with that . The Controller on In Tune yesterday made much of continuing to offer a loyal audience what they like and expect while at the same time offering entry points for new listeners. This of course is the Radio Controllers’ Nirvana - keep the old audience and get new listeners. The trouble is he’s offering more of the same - particularly in the peak morning hours that have so much share impact . Half an hour more of Breakfast and Half an hour more of EC. Hardly innovative and how likely is it to bring new listeners? I’d have more respect if he’d torn things up and started all over again.

                  Where is the innovation and where the respect for R3’s cultural traditions ?

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                  • Barbirollians
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11751

                    Notable that online most of the real opprobrium is directed at the move of Record Review.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30455

                      Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                      Half an hour more of Breakfast and Half an hour more of EC.
                      According to Classic FM some years back and confirmed by RW, the morning programmes get the biggest slice of the station's audience. This is not primarily because people like these programmes more than any others on offer, but because those hours are radio's peak listening time. In the past it's been recognised that CotW is a bit of a turn-off for the morning listeners which is why there's a bit of shuffling it between 9am and noon where it will do less damage. I presume the answer to the listening figures problem is to keep the mass audience programmes going for as long as possible. It's the only explanation I can think of, but it won't work.

                      And I can't see that it will save money either though "I was told" that one way R3 saved money was by getting presenters to work longer hours for the same pay. Radio 3 is still a "prestige" service to work for, which presumably is why some presenters will take a cut of sorts (less pay per programme than on other stations) to work there.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • LMcD
                        Full Member
                        • Sep 2017
                        • 8637

                        Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                        Where is the innovation and where the respect for R3’s cultural traditions ?
                        'They're BEHIND you!'
                        ('Well, I can't see them!')

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30455

                          Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
                          Thanks vinteiul - that's answered my question.

                          "BBC Radio 3 Scheudle in detail (From April 2024)"
                          I wonder if they read the forum comments or whether they noticed it themselves?
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Hitch
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 374

                            It's about time that Scheudle was featured in CotW.

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                            • Jonathan
                              Full Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 952

                              Oh dear. Good job I have plenty of CDs.
                              Best regards,
                              Jonathan

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30455

                                Originally posted by Hitch View Post
                                It's about time that Scheudle was featured in CotW.
                                Along with Schein, Scheidt, Schütz and Scheidemann?

                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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