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  • french frank
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    • Feb 2007
    • 30509

    The view from 2002

    An extract from a speech given at Green College, Oxford, in 2002 by Jenny Abramsky, then Director of BBC Radio [I have some more info on this]:

    "I have spoken passionately about Radios 1 and 2 because I think they are regularly misrepresented. I do believe they are central to the BBC’s delivery to all licence payers. I do not accept that ‘public service’ for Radio should be defined in such a way that it denies the majority of licence payers Radio stations that are relevant to them. And I do not think the BBC should cut itself off from people whose main interest is music of a popular kind.

    But it’s not just the popular that is important. Artistic expression, in all its forms, must be reflected on public service Radio.

    The debate that has haunted Radios 1 and 2 for the last 20 years has, in an inverse way, engulfed Radio 3. Both inside the BBC and without.

    There have been some in the BBC who have argued that a Radio station that delivers an audience of only two million, a share of 1.2% at a cost of £59 million, should not be part of a contemporary BBC... Why not use that money to reach the young? To get to under served audiences, to enable BBC ONE and BBC TWO to compete more effectively?

    Those siren voices have argued that the BBC superserves (whatever that means) older upmarket listeners with Radio 4 and BBC TWO and will do with BBC FOUR, so what’s the point of Radio 3?

    And externally Radio 3 has been under the spotlight as Classic FM has found an audience three times its size.

    Classic FM is a wonderful station, but it is quite different. It does not do, and has no intention of doing, the range of programmes - speech as well as live music - you can hear on Radio 3. Classic FM aims, as its Controller regularly admits, at the audience that listens to Radio 4 and to Radio 2. It is about easy listening. And it is very good.

    What it does not do is offer the cultural variety and cultural support of Radio 3. BBC Radio commissions more new writing than any other institution in the UK, and much of it is for Radio 3. It commissions more new classical music than any other institution in the world, all for Radio 3. Writing that is challenging, modern classical music that breaks with traditional form and expectation. It might appeal to a minority, but minorities have as much right to see their interests reflected on public service radio, as the majority.

    Radio 3 funds 72 concerts of The Proms. It funds the five BBC Orchestras and the BBC Singers - £23 million a year. It broadcasts concerts from all the leading orchestras in the UK - without its patronage musical life in this country would be very bleak indeed. And it has embraced new music in all its forms - including jazz and World Music.

    I’m sure a lot of you did not expect to hear that on Radio 3. But public service Radio can act as an impresario, and I really do believe that without that nurturing of all sorts of talent, the whole cultural fabric of this country would be the poorer."
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    #2
    nice speech shame about the pension ....

    the arts, technology, science , business all depend on sponsorship from the state for major innovation and sustenance ... the crude and debased market view is the enemy of civilisation ..... shame senior bbc figures were arguing that case then ... and no doubt now ... it has never seemed to me that the license fee represented a purchase or a subscription but a funding by the public of a significant institution that was not merely the agent of their education, information and entertainment but a major element of the cultural and social richness of british society in the widest sense ...other institutions, communities of practise, professions etc .... as well as joe citizen ...
    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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    • Hornspieler
      Late Member
      • Sep 2012
      • 1847

      #3
      Is it not a fact that the TV License Fee is for TV usage (for those under 75) and it is not required to have a license to listen to radio if you do not own or operate a television set?

      I would estimate that 90% of Radio 1 listeners do not pay a license fee (though their parents might) so why is so much of the BBCs income spent on those Radio 1 disk jockeys, compared with the funds that are allocated to Radios 3 and 4?

      Competition with the commercial radio stations is the usual answer of course, but why does Auntie feel a need to compete for listeners?

      Somebody explain please.

      HS

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30509

        #4
        Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
        Is it not a fact that the TV License Fee is for TV usage (for those under 75) and it is not required to have a license to listen to radio if you do not own or operate a television set?
        Yes

        I would estimate that 90% of Radio 1 listeners do not pay a license fee (though their parents might) so why is so much of the BBCs income spent on those Radio 1 disk jockeys, compared with the funds that are allocated to Radios 3 and 4?
        I couldn't put a figure on it. Radio 1 is now targeted on the 15-29 age group, so it may be a rather higher percentage. In not unusual contradictory fashion, the BBC says Radio 3 is not expected to 'maximixe' its reach. The advantage of that ruling is that it also doesn't get a great deal of the funding: Radios 1 & 2 (the other network music stations) have considerably more listeners. We take a more socialist view: that the nature of the content should determine the amount of money allowed, or 'To each according to his need'. If 1 million people listen to a programme, that programme would cost the same amount if only 10,000 are listening.

        Competition with the commercial radio stations is the usual answer of course, but why does Auntie feel a need to compete for listeners?
        According to the BBC's Charter, it is not allowed to compete directly with any commercial service, which is why they keep harping on about 'distinctiveness'. It is not considered fair competition if the BBC is using guaranteed public funds to compete head on with services which have to earn their revenue by attracting advertisers - especially when times are hard and companies have less money to spend.

        And in fact, for all the fine words, the BBC spent more on the content of Radio 1 than on the content of Radio 3 last year. Hard to imagine what they spent on which could be more expensive than broadcasting live concerts, commissioning new music, producing full length dramas (the most expensive genre of all), plus features and documentaries. Oh, and covering the revenue shortfall for the Proms, of course. All on a budget that was lower than Radio 1's (formerly the cheapest network radio station). And that is projected to continue through to 2016/17.

        And as far as television and the arts go, the projected expenditure on BBC Four in 2016/17 is £54.3m. BBC Three should get £85.5m and CBBC and CBeebies combined should get just over £120m.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 9173

          #5
          er but check the Graun's music pages, a total abandonment of real music is going on there .... despite Rusbridger's tastes all pop and yoof
          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30509

            #6
            Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
            er but check the Graun's music pages, a total abandonment of real music is going on there .... despite Rusbridger's tastes all pop and yoof
            But that seemed to be the other message behind what Abramsky was saying: the arts are all very well, Radio 3 is important... BUT the popular stuff is actually relevant to people ....
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • amateur51

              #7
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              But that seemed to be the other message behind what Abramsky was saying: the arts are all very well, Radio 3 is important... BUT the popular stuff is actually relevant to people ....
              Are we not people too?

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30509

                #8
                Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                Are we not people too?
                Well, we are; and in fairness she said 'I do not accept that ‘public service’ for Radio should be defined in such a way that it denies the majority of licence payers Radio stations that are relevant to them', rather than 'people'.

                But I still think she only appears to be paying lip service to minority arts/classical music people, giving with one hand and taking away with the other. Her main point is that popular music fans have rights and the BBC should cater for them. Which it does. Amply.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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