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  • Thropplenoggin
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    • Mar 2013
    • 1587

    Etymological Gems

    A thread for gems from the etymological profession, such as:

    n. Sh-t Sack

    A dastardly fellow: also a non-conformist. This appellation is said to have originated from the following story:—After the restoration, the laws against the non-conformists were extremely severe. They sometimes met in very obscure places: and there is a tradition that one of their congregations were assembled in a barn, the rendezvous of beggars and other vagrants, where the preacher, for want of a ladder or tub, was suspended in a sack fixed to the beam. His discourse that day being on the last judgment, he particularly attempted to describe the terrors of the wicked at the sounding of the trumpet, on which a trumpeter to a puppet-show, who had taken refuge in that barn, and lay hid under the straw, sounded a charge. The congregation, struck with the utmost consternation, fled in an instant from the place, leaving their affrighted teacher to shift for himself. The effects of his terror are said to have appeared at the bottom of the sack, and to have occasioned that opprobrious appellation by which the non-conformists were vulgarly distinguished.

    Definition taken from The 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, originally by Captain Francis Grose. [source*]

    *Be prepared to lose hours delving into such peculiar and bawdy terms as 'Squeeze Crab', 'gundiguts', and 'three-penny upright'.
    Last edited by Thropplenoggin; 27-04-13, 19:56. Reason: clarity
    It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius
  • Anna

    #2
    I suppose you'll post from Three Centuries of Canting Songs and Slang Rhymes next? I should apprise you of the existence of the Frenchie Tuk-Tuks!!

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    • amateur51

      #3
      Originally posted by Anna View Post
      I suppose you'll post from Three Centuries of Canting Songs and Slang Rhymes next? I should apprise you of the existence of the Frenchie Tuk-Tuks!!
      I've heard tell that she's given them a going over with WD40 and a shammy leather, Anna and they're tuk-tuking over nicely, waiting for lift-off

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      • Thropplenoggin
        Full Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 1587

        #4
        Originally posted by Anna View Post
        I suppose you'll post from Three Centuries of Canting Songs and Slang Rhymes next?


        Originally posted by Anna View Post
        I should apprise you of the existence of the Frenchie Tuk-Tuks!!
        The offending expletive appears in expurgated form; its etymological credentials are irreproachable, though, and the thread was intended to inspire other members to submit entries of equal interest, with no intended focus on bawdiness.
        It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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        • Anna

          #5
          Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post

          The offending expletive appears in expurgated form; its etymological credentials are irreproachable, though, and the thread was intended to inspire other members to submit entries of equal interest, with no intended focus on bawdiness.
          Oh, I don't mind bawdy. In fact The Daily Telegraph described Lucie Skeaping as the bawdy babe of Radio 3, have you heard some of her stuff? So that's ok, R3 does bawdy!!

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          • Thropplenoggin
            Full Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 1587

            #6
            Originally posted by Anna View Post
            Oh, I don't mind bawdy. In fact The Daily Telegraph described Lucie Skeaping as the bawdy babe of Radio 3, have you heard some of her stuff? So that's ok, R3 does bawdy!!
            I never doubted it for a moment but was merely pre-emptively protecting myself from any complaints that might come my way to that effect, especially given the 'three-penny upright' link.
            It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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            • salymap
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 5969

              #7
              Not bawdy at all but just had interesting conversation with young [well, 40] cousin about antimacassars [sp?]
              She remembers the things her gran had on the backs of chairs, probably to protect chairs from that nasty hair stuff 'gentlemen' put on their thinning locks.

              What was Macassar then ?

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              • Northender

                #8
                Macassar oil was 'originally presented as containing ingredients from Makassar' (New Oxford Dictionary). Makassar/Macassar has been called Ujung Padang since 1973 and is the chief seaport of the Indonesian island of Sulawesi.

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                • Pabmusic
                  Full Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 5537

                  #9
                  Originally posted by salymap View Post
                  Not bawdy at all but just had interesting conversation with young [well, 40] cousin about antimacassars [sp?]
                  She remembers the things her gran had on the backs of chairs, probably to protect chairs from that nasty hair stuff 'gentlemen' put on their thinning locks.

                  What was Macassar then ?
                  Macassar was a brand name for an American hair oil from the 1840s, which is when the word dates from. If it had dated from the 1940s, we might know the chair protectors as antibrylcreems.

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                  • mercia
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8920

                    #10
                    we certainly had antimacassars on the furniture in my parents' house, and for all I know they are still used in train carriages - people still have dirty hair
                    Makassar is in Indonesia

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                    • salymap
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5969

                      #11
                      I know I couldhave lookedit up but much more interesting reading all the replies. I'd forgotten they had something similar in trains.

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                      • umslopogaas
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1977

                        #12
                        Quote from 'Tropical Crops: Dicotyledons' by JW Purseglove:

                        "Schleichera oleosa (Lour.) Merr., LAC TREE, is used as a host of the lac insect (q.v.) in India. The seed yields an edible fat, which is also used for illumination and hair-oil; it is probably the original macassar oil."

                        Note spelling, macassar has a c, not a k.

                        Alternatively, according to my Chambers Dictionary, macassar oil comes from Schleichera trijuga, or ylang-ylang flowers, or other Eastern source. Macassar is in Celebes (Indonesia).

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                        • vinteuil
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12954

                          #13
                          ... a rather odd tidbit from the Pepys Diary -

                          "And anon to Gresham College, where, among other good discourse, there was tried the great poyson of Macassa upon a dogg, but it had no effect all the time we sat there." [15 March 1665]

                          The 'poyson of Macassa' was from the upas tree, used in Malaya for making poisoned arrows. The only known antidote was human ordure, taken internally...

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12954

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Northender View Post
                            Macassar oil was 'originally presented as containing ingredients from Makassar' .
                            ... Byron I'm sure refers to Rowlands' in 'Don Juan' -

                            "In virtues nothing earthly could surpass her,
                            Save thine 'incomparable oil', Macassar!" [canto 1, stanza 17]

                            Rowlands' advertising was famous -

                            Adverts for macassar oil published during the Victorian era.
                            Last edited by vinteuil; 10-05-13, 09:45.

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                            • umslopogaas
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1977

                              #15
                              Hmm, you need to be careful which source tree you use for your hair oil. Purseglove again: the famous upas tree of SE Asia, Antiaris toxicaria (Pers.) Lesch., has a powerful cardiac glucoside, antiarin in its latex, which is used as an arrow poison. It has to enter the blood stream to be effective, but if you used it on your hair you'd need to be careful not to scratch your head.

                              There is an Andaman Islander in Sherlock Holmes 'The Sign of the Four' who fires off poisoned arrows, but I havent been able to discover if Holmes actually names the poison.

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