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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30509

    #16
    But on arts spending, let's not forget the PSBs. What do we make of this graph from Ofcom's 2012 report?



    The two bands too small to have an amount attached are education and arts/classical music.

    The biggest band is soaps and drama. Also reported:

    "The statements which ranked the lowest in terms of importance were 'it shows high quality soaps or dramas made in the UK' and 'its programmes show different kinds of cultures with the UK'"
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • aka Calum Da Jazbo
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 9173

      #17
      “great emancipatory gains for human freedom have not been the result of orderly, institution procedures but of disorderly, unpredictable, spontaneous action cracking open the social order from below.”
      both my experiences and my age [a certain lack of a future] leave me agreeing with this statement with an embarrassingly bloodthirsty enthusiasm ... the statement is from Two Cheers for Anarchism

      ff the only conclusion that i can draw from the chart you reproduce is that as stated not enough is spent on the Arts & Education ... and i take it that factual includes 'Reality' type shows and Baking and Dancing competitions ... [what are PSBs?]
      According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #18
        Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
        [what are PSBs?]
        Public Sevice Broadcasters?
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 9173

          #19
          thanks for the confirmation ...

          art and civilisation gets a puff in this Jenkins piece in the Graun [one of the times i agree with him]
          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30509

            #20
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Public Sevice Broadcasters?
            Sorry, yes. Not purple sprouting broccoli ...
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • amateur51

              #21
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              Sorry, yes. Not purple sprouting broccoli ...

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              • handsomefortune

                #22

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                • teamsaint
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25231

                  #23
                  I know its not just the BBC in FFs lovely chart, but license fee income is rising steadily.
                  House of Lords written question – answered at 4 December 2012


                  Sorry to hear about Jazzers poor experiences in London.
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 9173

                    #24
                    Sorry to hear about Jazzers poor experiences in London.
                    it was just the travel and cost, the recital and the new people we met were great! ...the recitals are at 6, worth catching if you are in that maze of intersections between Holborn and Tottenham Court Road at the bottom of Gower Street ...

                    only a society that gives power to the mad gradgrinds who damage people in the NHS in pursuit of targets would cut Arts funding to nothing , beyond phillistine, this is seriously dysfunctional personalities running things folks ...
                    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                    • Byas'd Opinion

                      #25
                      It's not just down in Newcastle it's happening, it's now affected the real North-East. Moray Council has also completely scrapped all arts funding: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...udget.20212690

                      For a good piece about why this is important, and isn't just about hand-outs to luvvies, read http://www.heraldscotland.com/commen...tment.20221904

                      If every council took the attitude of Moray only national companies, supported by the Scottish Government and earnings at the box office, would survive. Arts would return to the elitist days of old, where high culture was only for those with a high income, and every community in Scotland would be the poorer for it, especially those outside the central belt. As it is, if you live outside the major cities, seeing a play or even a film requires the mounting of an expedition that wouldn't shame Dr Livingstone.
                      ("Outside the central belt" is the Scottish equivalent of "north of Watford")

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                      • amateur51

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Byas'd Opinion View Post
                        It's not just down in Newcastle it's happening, it's now affected the real North-East. Moray Council has also completely scrapped all arts funding: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...udget.20212690

                        For a good piece about why this is important, and isn't just about hand-outs to luvvies, read http://www.heraldscotland.com/commen...tment.20221904



                        ("Outside the central belt" is the Scottish equivalent of "north of Watford")
                        Good stuff, Alison Rowat Many thanks for this, Byas'd Opinion
                        Last edited by Guest; 15-02-13, 21:36. Reason: thanks

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20575

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post

                          Another thought - will the arts funding cuts apply to support for school visits to the theatre etc (where that exists), or does that come from the education budget?
                          The Arts Council is now responsible for distributing government funds for LEA music services (now called "hubs"). The fact that there will be massive cuts should not be blamed on the Arts Council, as they can only distribute what the government gives to them. Don't shoot the messenger, when the blame lies with the treasury and Michael Gove.

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            #28
                            It's important to remember that the "hub" organisations aren't everywhere the same organisations that were previously the LEA music services
                            and that the funding allocated to them will decrease massively in the next few years

                            Just been sent this

                            An independent panel will decide how to spend an annual fund of £600,000 on threatened arts and culture projects around Newcastle.


                            which is slightly better news
                            Last edited by MrGongGong; 15-02-13, 21:55.

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20575

                              #29
                              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                              It's important to remember that the "hub" organisations aren't everywhere the same organisations that were previously the LEA music services
                              True, but in practice they are in general, much to the regret of divide-and-rule Gove. But of course, if they fail financially, Govey will deny blame.

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