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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 38181

    Originally posted by aeolium View Post
    Interesting comments, S_A. I agree with you about the "spiritual" dimension, if you mean something more holistic and not purely materialistic. I also think that the 'class struggle' idea, whatever its value as a description of historical social change, is useless as a basis for formulating a programme of change - it simply polarises and draws on hatred rather than anything constructive.

    But when one sees the intellectual bankruptcy of European political parties, most of whom are marching to the austerity tune (apart from the nastier ones which are marching to something even more unpleasant), it's unsurprising that there is near total disillusionment with the political process and people feel that change can only come from extra-political groupings, whether communities like Occupy, 38degrees, the Spanish Indignados or environmental groups like Transition here. Why has no progressive politician almost anywhere in Europe, for instance, attempted to tap in to the widespread indignation about banks and tax evasion/avoidance and come up with serious proposals for tackling these failings? My conclusion is that they are not really interested in change, that the status quo is quite satisfactory: all the opportunities for private enrichment, the merry-go-round of non-executive directorships and speaking engagements, the revolving door between business and politics (even the HMRC and business), the lobbying scandals. We are almost back to the C18 world of political corruption, with the political class almost totally divorced from the rest of society.
    On the materialism issue, the term has become rather outdated by virtue of socientists no longer seeing "matter" as the basic "stuff" of the universe, and mystified by use as a religious condemnation of greed, seen as basic to human nature.

    The Labour Party has always been reformist, taking advantage of periods of relative prosperity to grant reforms under pressure from its own base. Deprived of that base - or, rather, pressured from the trade union bureaucracy, itself reformist - and having kicked out its far left entryists and got rid of Clause 4 of its constitution - the leadership now finds itself with only the advisory role provided by Compass offering alternative suggestions: some of which aren't bad, but are basically seen as for implementation at government level. Meanwhile, capitalism offers scant opportunities for more egalitarian reforms as far into the future as is possible to foresee, and this, as I see it, is why Miliband and all the rest of them are in such a mess.

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    • aka Calum Da Jazbo
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 9173

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      So, on austerity, is the feeling that Ed Balls had it right in 2010?
      quite possibly, but only on the basis that a broke watch is still right twice a day ... the chap is in hock to the trades unions politically and requires their continuing presence in his party power base ... now Alistair Darling might well have more to offer ... ... he was right once too ... and viciously derided for it
      According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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      • aeolium
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 3992

        The relatively marginal differences in economic philosophy between the parties pale into insignificance when viewed in the light of the widespread corruption of public life by corporate interests as outlined in this article. This sort of revolving-door corruption has of course been well publicised by Private Eye over a number of years and it's clear that the 'sting scandals' are small money compared with the really hefty rewards available. Corporate and private funding of political parties also means that talk of getting tough on tax avoidance is likely to be just that - talk: politicians won't readily bite the hands that feed them.

        Meanwhile the evidence mounts up about the damage being done by austerity economics. For political commentators and politicians of all parties - Labour having now effectively fallen into line behind Osborne's budget plans - austerity remains the only alternative. Yet it can easily be seen that a meaningful tax contribution from large corporations (particularly multinationals) - and by meaningful I mean commensurate with their profits rather than the infinitesimal amounts some of them currently pay - would wipe out the requirement for any drastic welfare cuts as well as provide the platform for investment in infrastructure. There is nothing inevitable about austerity - it is a deliberate choice by self-interested politicians in hock to greedy corporations.

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        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 9173

          ..and let us not forget the greedy rich types, city slickers and spread betters etc, who bankroll Osborne and his cronies ... nor the forex cash stream which corrupts on a scale that dwarfs the combined revenues of the drugs and arms trades .... [notice how the case for transaction taxes is losing the argument?]
          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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          • aka Calum Da Jazbo
            Late member
            • Nov 2010
            • 9173

            this is a serious piece by Paul Krugman reviewing several books on Austerity ..... it is a con in the interests of creditors and right wing moralists .... and has damaged our economies severely, the more so the more savage the austerity ....
            According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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            • amateur51

              Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
              this is a serious piece by Paul Krugman reviewing several books on Austerity ..... it is a con in the interests of creditors and right wing moralists .... and has damaged our economies severely, the more so the more savage the austerity ....
              Initially a bit of a trudge, Calum but eventually well worth the effort - many thanks

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              • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 9173

                why austerity bashing is not straightforward .... where's my duvet?
                According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                • eighthobstruction
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6527

                  Cue a cartoon : of all the G8 standing around a quicksand pit watching Greece etc sinking : with caption "well I guess it's down to them Bilderberg lot to sort it out, put in a call"....
                  bong ching

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                  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 9173

                    UK

                    Greece
                    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30806

                      Greece http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22861577
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 9173

                        way to go Will Hutton

                        According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                        • teamsaint
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25294

                          Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                          way to go Will Hutton

                          can we vote for him?
                          That would be good.
                          Brilliant article.
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30806

                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            can we vote for him?
                            That would be good.
                            Probably not. But you can vote for Labour (we'll cap welfare, we won't borrow to reverse spending cuts - we will end the concept of universal benefits, however ...)
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • amateur51

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Probably not. But you can vote for Labour (we'll cap welfare, we won't borrow to reverse spending cuts - we will end the concept of universal benefits, however ...)
                              Or of course vote LibDem (we're everso sorry about last time but we will be absolutely clear next time which parts of our manifesto programme are coalition-negotiable, depending on who nearly-wins the best ...)

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30806

                                Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                                Or of course vote LibDem (we're everso sorry about last time but we will be absolutely clear next time which parts of our manifesto programme are coalition-negotiable, depending on who nearly-wins the best ...)
                                Or Conservative.

                                Or Green - you'll be certain about what you'll (not) get.

                                Or UKIP - ditto

                                The theoretical/philosophical aspect to this is why 'all parties are the same' or don't stand a chance of being elected. (Otherwise it's Politics & Current Affairs)
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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