Democracy and Monarchy

**teamsaint** · 21-09-22, 15:02

Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

1,000 acres is about £10 million worth of farmland. That would put you in the top 1 per cent of farmland owners in the Uk. You can make a living out of 100- 250 acres depending on what you farm though you’ll need the £80 to £100 an acre in subsidies .
An arable farmer with 1,000 acres would pull in £80k of those no trouble and if growing barley might make about £1500 per acre tops so maybe another £1,5 mill - but not every year as you’d need to rotate .
You can make a tidy living just growing veg if you know what you’re doing.
I guess the bottom line is that quite a few farmers are raking it in.
. On the other hand an upland lamb farmer would be lucky to clear £20 k - maybe less.
If it’s Romanée Conti Red Burgundy wine you can make a very, very good living out of an acre or so…

Interesting.

As Tommy Cooper said, Its not the principle , its the money…….!!

**Ein Heldenleben** · 21-09-22, 15:45

Originally posted by teamsaint View Post

Interesting.

As Tommy Cooper said, Its not the principle , its the money…….!!

I should add that a vast part of your 1.5 mill revenue will go in fertiliser, pesticide, diesel, repayments on the farming gear and paying the hands, insurance etc etc etc . Wheat or corn will earn nothing like as much and an awful lot of UK land is fit only for grass munchers and that is a whole different ballgame…

**Serial_Apologist** · 21-09-22, 17:35

So many contradictions to reply to in your message, but here goes!

Originally posted by cat View Post

He cycled all the time when living in Cambridge, maybe he thinks he's too old to do that now,

Well I'm a few years older than King Charles III and in my case 76 is not too old, but I've never heard him say one way or the other

but the Queen rode horses because that's what she liked doing, she could just as easily have been an avid cyclist.

One could ask why she would choose horses over bicycles, just to be equally bloody-minded

However, given that Boris Johnson liked cycling, I'm not sure you're on to something here.

We're discussing the unelected, not Boris Johnson.

In any case you're implying it's a matter of degree rather than something fundamental - that if they just behaved in manner more to your liking, the "problem" would be ameliorated.

A lot of people who think the monarchy too self-isolated from most people's lives would agree with that statement.

**french frank** · 21-09-22, 18:07

Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

We're discussing the unelected, not Boris Johnson.

'Oo elected 'im Prime Minister? I made a banner saying, 'Not My Prime Minister' but I never had the chance to display it as he was never in the vicinity.

I don't think Monarchy and Democracy are incompatible. As the late Labour Party leader said: "I believe in a democracy and we live in a democracy. We have a titular head of state as the monarch but without political power."

It would have saved time and money if HM had been able to say: "No, Mr Johnson, you may not assert my prerogative and prorogue Parliament. Nice to have spoken. Good morning."

**muzzer** · 21-09-22, 21:54

I’m not going to link to it in case that would break any forum rules but if you search Kwasi Kwarteng on twitter you’ll see some behaviour I think quite extraordinary of an elected representative at a state funeral. Sorry if that’s cryptic.

**Serial_Apologist** · 21-09-22, 22:08