Coronation Chicken

[eighthobstruction]

Just found the article referred to in #24 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-king-charles
This chimes with my views about KC3

....in fact one might come to call him KFC3...(.wondering whether to splash out on one of those TV advert Ninja Outdoor wood pellet bar b q)....next I suppose is a shindig for Williams Pof W drift....

[french frank]

Anachronistic is not a big enough word.

What about anachronististic?

[vinteuil]

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... in The Guardian -

"Republic, the anti-monarchist organisation protesting against the coronation, said: “Asking people to swear allegiance to Charles and his heirs means swearing allegiance to Andrew. In a democracy it is the head of state who should swear allegiance to us. This is an offensive and tone-deaf gesture that holds the people in contempt.” "

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[Bryn]

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... in The Guardian -

"Republic, the anti-monarchist organisation protesting against the coronation, said: “Asking people to swear allegiance to Charles and his heirs means swearing allegiance to Andrew. In a democracy it is the head of state who should swear allegiance to us. This is an offensive and tone-deaf gesture that holds the people in contempt.” "

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Well put.

[Pulcinella]

Well put.

Except Andrew is not an heir of Charles.

[french frank]

Except Andrew is not an heir of Charles.

That would be one objection

[Keraulophone]

Seven girl choristers from Truro Cathedral Choir will be singing in the choir, conducted by former Truro colleague Andrew Nethsingha, which is reason enough for me to watch and enjoy much of the music, i.e. Parry, Handel, Boyce, Byrd, Gibbons, Weelkes, Walton and Richard Strauss (!), with a finger poised over the mute button in case of allergic reaction to Mealor, Wiseman, Lloyd-Webber and possibly others. (There may be a typo in the Order of Service, adding a hyphen to Walford Davies.)

The Richard Strauss Fanfare: Wiener Philharmoniker that comes between 'cries' of 'God Save the King!' and two minutes of bell ringing sounds great when played by the brass section it was written for in 1924: https://youtu.be/_aim0WNA75c (VPO/Ozawa). Good luck to the brass assembled in the Abbey.

[vinteuil]

Except Andrew is not an heir of Charles.

... were the king's immediate descendants and their descendants &c to be obliterated in some unforeseen cataclysm - Andrew would certainly feature as an heir...

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[Pulcinella]

... were the king's immediate descendants and their descendants &c to be obliterated in some unforeseen cataclysm - Andrew would certainly feature as an heir...

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He's certainly 'in line' [Will, his 3 children, Harry, heaven help us, then his 2, then Andrew, so currently 8th I reckon] but (pedant hat) he is not one of Charles' heirs.

Anyone would think I'm interested!

[french frank]

... were the king's immediate descendants and their descendants &c to be obliterated in some unforeseen cataclysm - Andrew would certainly feature as an heir...

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At the time of the swearing of allegiance takes place Andrew cannot be considered an 'heir'; and a 'successor' only if he succeeds. By your argument the people are being invited to swear allegiance to literally hundreds of people who conceivably might succeed if the immediate descendants were to be 'obliterated in some unforeseen cataclysm'. Wiki stops at no 62. The King will say 'I come not to be served
but to serve'.

Also "In a democracy it is the head of state who should swear allegiance to us": to be precise we live in a constitutional monarchy not a democracy, though 'in a democracy' it is arguable whether anyone should swear allegiance to anyone else.

[vinteuil]

Anyone would think I'm interested!

... you're right, of course. 'Heir to the throne'.

lordy, but the more one thinks about it - and indeed the more it is that people might think about it given the promulgation of 'homages' and 'allegiances' and other such guff - the more risible the whole enterprise appears...

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[vinteuil]

... to be precise we live in a constitutional monarchy not a democracy, though 'in a democracy' it is arguable whether anyone should swear allegiance to anyone else.

... it all depends what you mean by 'constitutional monarchy'. It all depends on what you mean by 'democracy'. It all depends on what you mean by 'allegiance'.

I suppose it also might depend on whether or not you are happy accepting the status quo of whatever system it is you think we 'live' in

"It all depends what you mean by 'depend'... " Professor CEM Joad [1891-1953] (attrib.)

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[Nick Armstrong]

What about anachronististic?

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... it all depends what you mean by 'constitutional monarchy'.

I don't think there's any dispute about what a 'constitutional monarchy' is.

It all depends on what you mean by 'democracy'.

You can say that we have a 'parliamentary democracy' (or 'representative democracy') meaning the power is vested in parliament not directly in 'the people'

It all depends on what you mean by 'allegiance'.

My comment goes back to what the person from Republic said about the King swearing allegiance to the people (which it seems to me is very closely rendered by the phrase quoted 'not to be served but to serve'.

I suppose it also might depend on whether or not you are happy accepting the status quo of whatever system it is we 'live' in

That is an altogether different question. It is surely one of many status quo with which one is not happy. In many cases one just puts up with them.

[vinteuil]

In many cases one just puts up with them.

... ah, but should one?

And to return to the theme - how far shd one go along, authentically or spuriously, with the sort of 'celebration' that is being drummed into us at the moment - not least by the BBC and other media

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