Coronation Chicken

**vinteuil** · 30-04-23, 08:27

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... it is the 'assumption' - the expectation? - that "millions of us" will want to pledge allegiance / pay homage to all this claptrap that is so depressing / irritating (other terms are available).

I am surprized that the royal family and the high-ups in the C of E have not been informed by their advisers that support for the monarchy is at an all-time low - have they not seen the statistics that show that among the young support for the monarchy is very much a minority sport? The royals and the church establishment presumably think this this sort of garbage will 'mystically' unite the nation : I feel this is much more likely to be divisive. It has not gone down well with my like-minded (and equally mild-mannered) friends and family...

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**JasonPalmer** · 30-04-23, 08:27

Watching it on the telly

**Old Grumpy** · 30-04-23, 08:56

Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post

Yes, OG, spot on. My remembered inscription contains true detail that is not on the stone! A woman I met through the Friends had researched the story and gave me a copy of her research. I knew nothing of IWM - thank you.

I think the plaque with the four names of the airman has been added since I was last there - making me realise that it is decades since I walked out that way.

You are correct about the memorial to the horse. It is a striking monument - like an elongated pyramid shape. Its position affords glorious views, when it's clear right across the Solent to the Isle of Wight '(The Island' as it's known in Hampshire).

Thanks, KB. I spent my university days in Hampshire and remember "The Island" being treated with some disdain, the consequence being that miscreants were threatened with being sent there at her (then) majesty's pleasure, as it were!

**french frank** · 30-04-23, 09:14

Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

I am surprized that the royal family and the high-ups in the C of E have not been informed by their advisers that support for the monarchy is at an all-time low

It may be at its lowest ever but as at 13 April 2023, roughly a third of the population said they cared 'a great deal' or 'a fair amount' about the coronation - that is quite a few millions. Another third said 'not very much' which put positively seems to be 'well, a bit, p'raps'. 29% said 'not at all' and 2% didn't know whether they cared or not. Overall the republicans still seem to have to do a bit of heavy lifting: a majority still thinks a monarchy is preferable to an elected head of state.

Just quoting the figures: I'm a neither care nor don't care - possibly down as a Don't Know. And am also quite mild-mannered

**eighthobstruction** · 30-04-23, 10:21

....I shall spend the day with the neighbours at number 12 thinking to themselves....he didn't put bunting up, nor anything for Yorkshire Day and he didn't clap the NHS , what chance he will pay homage...."Well, about the same chance as knitting fog into a jumper"

**johncorrigan** · 30-04-23, 10:54

I thought this thread was a response to the trade deals with the USA where we were concerned with Chlorination Chicken. Oops.

Charlie's got the same birthday as me so I only celebrate the King's birthday...hoping there'll be a public holiday then.

**Pulcinella** · 30-04-23, 10:57

Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post

I thought this thread was a response to the trade deals with the USA where we were concerned with Chlorination Chicken. Oops.

Charlie's got the same birthday as me so I only celebrate the King's birthday...hoping there'll be a public holiday then.

Maybe the curry powder that gets added was to hide the taste of the chlorine.

Real or official, John?
Celebrate twice, like he does: real (14 November 1948) and official: this year 17 June (does that move with Trooping the Colour?).

**LeMartinPecheur** · 30-04-23, 11:03

Originally posted by RichardB View Post

The "invitation" in itself seems to me a somewhat desperate attempt to engage the peasantry in the "meaning" of an event that in real terms has none...

But putting aside religious belief (as I have alas been forced to do), when it comes down to it, is there any "event that in real terms" has a meaning?

**oddoneout** · 30-04-23, 11:05

I was musing about all this yesterday, partly the result of an article about 3 people who had had brushes with the law(or someone's version of it) in relation to anti-monarchy views, and some interesting points that were made(I wish I could find a link but have failed so far). I came to the conclusion I am largely indifferent to/apathetic about the whole thing. I won't make a point of watching on TV (not least because of all the tiresome faff that will inevitably accompany it - sycophantic commentary etc), the radio will likely go off, but won't be actively listened to if it stays on, and the public gatherings in town aren't my thing regardless of the reason.
It's possibly because I don't have a particularly positive opinion of KC3 - he may try to do the right thing but there is a petulant entitled (over and above that which comes with the job) side to him that is not appealing - although I have some slight sympathy for his impossible task in following his mother.
The Big Help Out is I think an unfortunate misstep; there is undoubtedly an urgent need to recruit volunteers for all sorts of activities and causes, but attaching it to the coronation seems counter-productive. There is an assumption that such an event will foster such large scale good will that it will translate into longer term action, which overlooks both the current ambivalent attitudes to the monarchy and the well publicised reasons for the difficulties in recruiting and retaining volunteers, reasons which won't be ameliorated by association with a group of people who do not face any of those reasons, even assuming they know of them. This coronation is not the 2012 Olympics...
As for the swearing allegiance ("Homage of the People" - who thought that one up for crying out loud)- well my brain was swearing (I don't say such things aloud), but it wasn't allegiance.
The garden will be getting a lot of attention next weekend I think if the weather cooperates. Although I'm not rostered to work, the site will be open for visitors anyway so I might well go in for a chat with colleagues, a walk round the grounds, and treat myself to a hot lunch on one of the days involved.
I had no problem watching/listening to the funerals of KC3's parents, and being moved by them for various reasons(source of some family stories re HRH Philip, and ending of an era/ background to my life re QE11 among them) but can't raise any enthusiasm or even feelings for the coronation other than a vague sense that it all seems rather inappropriate on several levels.

**Nick Armstrong** · 30-04-23, 11:11

I’ve set the ITV coverage to record - they’ve done a much classier job of ceremonial events in recent years than the trivialising, obsequious Beeb (plus of course there’s the significant bonus of avoiding the absurd Witchell) and will watch at some point during the day deploying fast-forward to find the decent, non-Lloyd-Webbery music and, out of curiosity, the quaint ‘Presentation of the Spurs and Amulets’ type stuff. But…

Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

harrumph! - now with more than a soupçon of irritation…

… quite! No daft community pledging here

I might cycle out to catch the fly-past from the Park, though - weather-permitting, they’re fun to see - and tap briefly into the zeitgeist…

Does anyone know what time it’s scheduled for?

However,

Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

a vague sense that it all seems rather inappropriate on several levels

has been growing in me too, and I may end up turning my back on the whole thing...

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**oddoneout** · 30-04-23, 11:18

Flypast 2-30 https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...ation-flypast/
It will be smaller than the 1953 version according to this https://www.forces.net/royals/corona...w-it-will-look

**Nick Armstrong** · 30-04-23, 11:23

Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

Flypast 2-30 https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...ation-flypast/
It will be smaller than the 1953 version according to this https://www.forces.net/royals/corona...w-it-will-look

Thank you.

The best one was the RAF 100 years celebration (perhaps unsurprisingly)

**teamsaint** · 30-04-23, 11:34

Anachronistic is not a big enough word.

**johncorrigan** · 30-04-23, 11:36

Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

Real or official, John?
Celebrate twice, like he does: real (14 November 1948) and official: this year 17 June (does that move with Trooping the Colour?).

Always the real one, Pulcinella. I prefer to dispense with the 21-gun salute, and stick with traditional candles.

**oddoneout** · 30-04-23, 11:58

Just found the article referred to in #24 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-king-charles
This chimes with my views about KC3

Perhaps the solemn reverence after the death of Queen Elizabeth II wasn’t surprising. She had served for a record-breaking 70 years and was globally admired, even by many republicans. The new king is a different character. Whereas she was famous for her discretion, he is regarded by many as a meddler. While her poker face remained intact throughout her reign, it took him only days to show his petulance in public, throwing two strops over pen-related incidents. There have also been questions about his judgment and integrity. Four days after the queen’s death, up to 100 Palace staff were given notice of redundancy during a thanksgiving service for her,

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