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  • teamsaint
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    • Nov 2010
    • 25235

    Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
    Alan Hansen was good. But I find the Shearer , Murphy combo a switch off.
    There doesn’t seem to be much attention paid in the recruitment process, to ability to transmit tactical awareness to an audience that is less well football educated than they are. But so it goes.Hansen as mentioned above, was excellent.

    None of my business really these days though , as a non licence payer I suppose, but I would like to return, in better times. Seems a way off though.
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
      Full Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 6985

      Alistair Campbell has managed to link the Lineker affair with the BBC’s axing of the BBC singers in a way that has eluded even the most creative minds on this forum.

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      • Pulcinella
        Host
        • Feb 2014
        • 11129

        Originally posted by James Wonnacott View Post
        I can't help but still wonder why some people are finding his COMMENTS outrageous, let alone the fact that they think that he should not be allowed to give them.

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        • Pulcinella
          Host
          • Feb 2014
          • 11129

          Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
          I don’t like football punditry. They earn a fortune for coming up with comments you could hear down the pub.
          I'm no real sports fan, but could you learn and be able to give the names of 22 (at least) players on a pitch with the precision and speed that they do?
          Would that our music presenters had such skill!

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          • teamsaint
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            • Nov 2010
            • 25235

            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            I'm no real sports fan, but could you learn and be able to give the names of 22 (at least) players on a pitch with the precision and speed that they do?
            Would that our music presenters had such skill!
            Ah, but that is the commentators. You are right, they need to have meticulous preparation to do the job. The pundits ( the ones who sit in the studio and waffle on, not so much, IMO.)
            I really like learning from the pros who know their job and can teach the rest of us a thing or two.
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • Pulcinella
              Host
              • Feb 2014
              • 11129

              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
              Ah, but that is the commentators. You are right, they need to have meticulous preparation to do the job. The pundits ( the ones who sit in the studio and waffle on, not so much, IMO.)
              I really like learning from the pros who know their job and can teach the rest of us a thing or two.
              True: and they're probably paid peanuts in comparison (rather like the orchestra players and their sometimes overpaid 'celebrity' conductors, I guess). But I digress.

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              • Ein Heldenleben
                Full Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 6985

                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                I'm no real sports fan, but could you learn and be able to give the names of 22 (at least) players on a pitch with the precision and speed that they do?
                Would that our music presenters had such skill!
                Apologies for being pedantic but I was referring to pundits - the people who make the comments in the studio after the match. Live Commentating is one of the most difficult jobs in broadcasting - a real skill. As it happens very few former footballers do it. They might summarise i.e. interject comments during the match but commentating is a different order of difficulty.

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
                  • 11129

                  Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                  Apologies for being pedantic but I was referring to pundits - the people who make the comments in the studio after the match. Live Commentating is one of the most difficult jobs in broadcasting - a real skill. As it happens very few former footballers do it. They might summarise i.e. interject comments during the match but commentating is a different order of difficulty.

                  Indeed: as pointed out by ts and commented on in my reply.
                  My mistake.

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                  • Ein Heldenleben
                    Full Member
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 6985

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    True: and they're probably paid peanuts in comparison (rather like the orchestra players and their sometimes overpaid 'celebrity' conductors, I guess). But I digress.
                    On TV commentators are very well paid by most peoples standards. But not as well paid as former footballers turned pundits.

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                    • Ein Heldenleben
                      Full Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 6985

                      Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                      Indeed: as pointed out by ts and commented on in my reply.
                      My mistake.
                      It’s a very easy mistake to make. One of the ways they used to try out new commentators is by giving them a video of an obscure match and asking them to live commentate on it. Now that’s hard !

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                      • mikealdren
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1206

                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        I can't help but still wonder why some people are finding his COMMENTS outrageous, let alone the fact that they think that he should not be allowed to give them.
                        I suspect with Suella Braverman it may be because she is from an immigrant family and has a Jewish husband and she therefore has some understanding of what the Nazis did in the 30s

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                        • Joseph K
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 7765

                          Originally posted by mikealdren View Post
                          I suspect with Suella Braverman it may be because she is from an immigrant family and has a Jewish husband and she therefore has some understanding of what the Nazis did in the 30s
                          Only in the 30s?

                          And if that is so, all the more reason why she should know better than to mimic their dehumanising rhetoric!

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                          • DracoM
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                            • Mar 2007
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                            • oddoneout
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9320

                              Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                              Only in the 30s?

                              And if that is so, all the more reason why she should know better than to mimic their dehumanising rhetoric!
                              She also chose to ignore what GL actually said, which was a reference to language used. He did not mention the Holocaust, she did.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30530

                                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                                She also chose to ignore what GL actually said, which was a reference to language used. He did not mention the Holocaust, she did.
                                "There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s ... "
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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