Axing of BBC Singers and related cuts

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  • Nick Armstrong
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 26601

    Two leading W1A alums putting the boot into the current BBC music / Lineker cluster****:

    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
      The comedian formerly known as Caliban here: Apologies Bryn! I clicked Edit rather than Reply !

      Can you repost? Sorry!
      Heh, heh. I seem to recall suggesting the initial target (50.000) would be reached tonight with ease.

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26601

        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        Heh, heh. I seem to recall suggesting the initial target (50.000) would be reached tonight with ease.
        That was precisely your point!

        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • eighthobstruction
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 6468

          Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
          That was precisely your point!

          with everybody [just about and not including myself] chipping in mostly anything between £20-£99 x 50,000 that's a lot of Lineker that's being grifted (even Trump can't grift that smoothly....)....
          bong ching

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          • RichardB
            Banned
            • Nov 2021
            • 2170

            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
            Orchestral provision is very much concentrated in London in a way that it isn’t in Germany .
            That applies to very many things in Germany of course.

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            • ardcarp
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 11102

              A Facebook message from Paul Michael Hughes:



              "Twenty three years of my life at the BBC as Director of two of the finest professional ensembles in the world and today I learn that one of them is to be axed completely on the eve of its centenary and denied a final appearance in the Proms; and the other to be restructured and reduced.

              I count myself fortunate to have led the BBC Singers through a period of profound change from which they emerged strong, flexible and brilliant. Their ability to respond to whatever the BBC asked of them, to lead the way in diversity of repertoire, to collaborate with the widest range of artists whilst performing a vast range of music for almost every bbc station is unprecedented. This is their reward.

              I am shocked at the manner, the haste and the illogicality of this decision, long in the planning though I can see it has been. The review of classical music that was undertaken last year, led by those ignorant of the classical music world and reporting to similarly uninformed chiefs, was presented as nothing to worry about; an assessment of the value of the BBC’s contribution to the classical music ecology of the UK. How naïve we all were.

              All those many hours spent designing the Singers’ new home at Stratford wasted, and battles fought to get it right …. well, that’s a whole other story.

              Constant change was always the mantra of the bbc, often directionless and random, but we survived, rolled with the punches and bounced back with renewed vigour. This fatal cut is now working its way through the BBC’s English orchestras, made all the more painful by the flimsy spin of positivity laid over it.

              I have received many messages today telling me my timing in leaving the bbc was perfect; I can only say that the pain I feel at watching it all now disintegrate is nothing compared to what those whose jobs are closing must be feeling.

              To my friends and colleagues of the BBC Singers, to Sofi Jeannin, their brilliant chief conductor, and to all BBC musicians, my heart is with you and I don’t believe this is over yet"

              Another link about Paul Hughes:

              After 23 years in his role, Hughes will hand over to his successor on the First Night of this year’s Proms – 15 July 2022

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              • JasonPalmer
                Full Member
                • Dec 2022
                • 826

                It will be interesting to see how the cuts reshape things, will radio 3 feature more foreign concerte as less live ones in the uk ?
                Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                • JasonPalmer
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2022
                  • 826

                  If labour win the next election will the cuts be reversed ?
                  Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30647

                    Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                    A Facebook message from Paul Michael Hughes:
                    A very powerful message.

                    I've been looking up the BBC expenditure figures by genre over the past 3 years, 2020, 2021, 2022. Overall, after some big cuts in 2021, the content expenditure detailed rose 11% 2020 to 2022. But looking at the individual items, I can see that the two areas with the smallest budgets suffered the biggest %age cut in spending. These were Arts & Music and Orchestras & Performing Groups. From 2020 together they had a 20% cut which amounted to £14m. Purely as a comparison (not a suggestion!), Sport Production could have borne that entire cut and would still have had a 33% increase in expenditure (£58m to £80m, rather than £94m).

                    The general point seems to be that any new cuts in the offing are on top of these pretty savage recent cuts. Orchestras and Perf Groups cost £29m in 2020 and £25m in 2022. I make that a cut of 13.8%. The undifferentiated "Other television content spend" rose from £288m to £431m, an increase of 50%. You'd have thought they could have borne that £4m which they cut from the Orchestras/Groups.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Ein Heldenleben
                      Full Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 7125

                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      A very powerful message.

                      I've been looking up the BBC expenditure figures by genre over the past 3 years, 2020, 2021, 2022. Overall, after some big cuts in 2021, the content expenditure detailed rose 11% 2020 to 2022. But looking at the individual items, I can see that the two areas with the smallest budgets suffered the biggest %age cut in spending. These were Arts & Music and Orchestras & Performing Groups. From 2020 together they had a 20% cut which amounted to £14m. Purely as a comparison (not a suggestion!), Sport Production could have borne that entire cut and would still have had a 33% increase in expenditure (£58m to £80m, rather than £94m).

                      The general point seems to be that any new cuts in the offing are on top of these pretty savage recent cuts. Orchestras and Perf Groups cost £29m in 2020 and £25m in 2022. I make that a cut of 13.8%. The undifferentiated "Other television content spend" rose from £288m to £431m, an increase of 50%. You'd have thought they could have borne that £4m which they cut from the Orchestras/Groups.
                      That sports production cost of 94mill almost certainly doesn’t include rights costs.

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                      • ardcarp
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11102

                        Contributors to this thread might be amused by (and very sympathetic to) the first 30 seconds of tonight's News Quiz:

                        Last edited by ardcarp; 10-03-23, 20:45.

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                        • Pulcinella
                          Host
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 11234

                          It is perhaps a shame that, unlike the situation with MOTD, if conductors and soloists refused to work with BBC orchestras to make a stand against the cuts, that would likely merely hasten the demise of said orchestras, and hence be totally counterproductive.
                          What a mess!

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                          • ardcarp
                            Late member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11102

                            Maybe this year's Promenaders could stage a sit-down strike?

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20578

                              Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                              Maybe this year's Promenaders could stage a sit-down strike?

                              Won’t they be charged extra if they do?

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                              • Serial_Apologist
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37985

                                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                                Won’t they be charged extra if they do?
                                They won't stand for it.

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