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  • HighlandDougie
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3093

    Among the other pensées of Freedman père et fils, there are some thoughts on Kursk:

    On everything from the riots and the next election, to Ukraine and the Middle East, to our parenting styles...

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30319

      This is a 3-day-old article in the Kyiv Post. Some speculative but some seeming to be on-the-spot knowledge:

      A quick assessment of what we know about the surprise Ukrainian assault into Russia, and what might be Ukraine’s strategic and operational objectives.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • HighlandDougie
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 3093

        This may be pay-walled but Sir L's take on Kursk et al:

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30319

          Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
          This may be pay-walled but Sir L's take on Kursk et al
          It was fine: I got the 'Continue reading' link. No predictions, then, but as to Putin's response:

          "Putin has only shown interest in a peace process based on Russia having the upper hand so that it can dictate terms. It is therefore not surprising that he does not see recent developments as supporting his idea of a peace process. He can no longer simply insist, for example, that any cease fire must take account of the territorial realities."

          I was also heartened by the statement that there seemed to be little resistance from the population and that the Ukrainian (neo-Nazi, Russia-hating) troops were au contraire well disciplined and treating local people well.

          "...there has not been – as yet – evidence of local resistance, in contrast to the Ukrainian responses to Russia’s invasion. In addition, Ukrainian forces are behaving themselves and looking after the left-behind civilians, undermining propaganda claims of depraved neo-nazis torturing and murdering anyone who spoke the Russian language."
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37703

            Originally posted by french frank View Post

            It was fine: I got the 'Continue reading' link. No predictions, then, but as to Putin's response:

            "Putin has only shown interest in a peace process based on Russia having the upper hand so that it can dictate terms. It is therefore not surprising that he does not see recent developments as supporting his idea of a peace process. He can no longer simply insist, for example, that any cease fire must take account of the territorial realities."

            I was also heartened by the statement that there seemed to be little resistance from the population and that the Ukrainian (neo-Nazi, Russia-hating) troops were au contraire well disciplined and treating local people well.

            "...there has not been – as yet – evidence of local resistance, in contrast to the Ukrainian responses to Russia’s invasion. In addition, Ukrainian forces are behaving themselves and looking after the left-behind civilians, undermining propaganda claims of depraved neo-nazis torturing and murdering anyone who spoke the Russian language."
            Clearly Putin's disinformation service does not work as well as Tommy Robinson's over here did after Southport.

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            • Anastasius
              Full Member
              • Mar 2015
              • 1842

              We just need TTK to get off the pot, along with other Western leaders and let Ukraine have the wherewithal to engage supply bases and transport hubs deeper into Russia
              Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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              • DracoM
                Host
                • Mar 2007
                • 12976

                And then? A really jolly, everyone's-in-it, woopee WW3?

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                • vinteuil
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12845

                  Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
                  We just need TTK to get off the pot
                  ... TTK - who or what is ???

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                  • Anastasius
                    Full Member
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 1842

                    Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                    And then? A really jolly, everyone's-in-it, woopee WW3?
                    That is what I call the 'cop out' option. If we were not prepared to go the distance then we should never have raised the hopes of Ukraine in the first place.
                    Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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                    • Anastasius
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 1842

                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

                      ... TTK - who or what is ???

                      .
                      Two Tier Keir or 'Kneeler' as some would call him.
                      Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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                      • Anastasius
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2015
                        • 1842

                        Full disclosure. I am 50% Ukrainian on my mother's side and so I do have some skin in the game.
                        Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30319

                          Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
                          Full disclosure. I am 50% Ukrainian on my mother's side and so I do have some skin in the game.
                          Does that mean "So I'm biased"?
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • eighthobstruction
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 6444

                            ....definitely one for Pedants Paradise...

                            ....I do in fact like American Football analogies....
                            bong ching

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                            • Anastasius
                              Full Member
                              • Mar 2015
                              • 1842

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post

                              Does that mean "So I'm biased"?
                              Just a tad.
                              Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30319

                                Originally posted by Anastasius View Post

                                Just a tad.
                                We're a medium power, small in size. There are other global concerns. I think Ukraine v Russia is existential, so is Israel v whoever is not unconditionally pro-Israel, so is climate change. If we had unlimited resources we could chuck as much as was needed wherever it was needed. For better ... or worse ..., we have to look over our shoulder at the US. Things have been bad over there: let's hope they will get better soon.
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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