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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30300

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    Possibly a worse nightmare than Putin...
    That bit, at least, I was envisaging. As for the rest ...
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37689

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      And if there were a replacement, who would it be? Would it actually be someone who always thought the Ukraine invasion was a mistake? Would it be someone who thought Putin just failed in what he tried to do or that he was wrong in attempting them?
      I am just wondering how much longer China can maintain its slightly at one remove support for Putin. From every viewpoint - Russia's, Ukraine's, "the West's" - an ideal Putin replacement would start off by being prepared to sit down at a negotiating table, which the Zelensky government was prepared to do well into the invasion - with foreign advisers if necessary, and they might have to include some who might not be considered unbiassed by various sides - and decide on how and in what timescale the war and occupation can be ended. Any new Russian régime might consider such a course to be reputationally and from a practicable point of view the best way of getting out of a sticky situation for themselves.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30300

        Russian response to the drone attacks on Vnukovo airport: ' "An attempt by the Kyiv regime to attack a zone where civil infrastructure is located, including an airport that receives international flights, is a new terrorist act," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Telegram.'

        If attacks on civil infrastructure are terrorist acts ... ? But as in Trumpworld, black is white, false is true, the guilty are innocent, the innocent are guilty.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • richardfinegold
          Full Member
          • Sep 2012
          • 7666

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Russian response to the drone attacks on Vnukovo airport: ' "An attempt by the Kyiv regime to attack a zone where civil infrastructure is located, including an airport that receives international flights, is a new terrorist act," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Telegram.'

          If attacks on civil infrastructure are terrorist acts ... ? But as in Trumpworld, black is white, false is true, the guilty are innocent, the innocent are guilty.
          George Orwell is smiling somewhere

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30300

            Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
            George Orwell is smiling somewhere
            But sadly
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • HighlandDougie
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3091

              Latest post from Freedman père (Ukraine) et fils (UK politics):

              Thanks very much for all your excellent questions by comment and email.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30300

                Has Lukashenko ratted on the deal re Prigozhin?

                Alexander Lukashenko says Prigozhin, who led a short-lived mutiny in Russia, is in St Petersburg.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  Has Lukashenko ratted on the deal re Prigozhin?

                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66118007
                  What deal would that be? We only have rumour, not chapter and verse of the arrangements made, to inform us.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30300

                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                    What deal would that be? We only have rumour, not chapter and verse of the arrangements made, to inform us.
                    I assume Prigozhin thought there was a deal that was favourable to him; otherwise why go to Belarus? There may well have been a deal between Lukashenko and Putin, the details of which were known only to them.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Cockney Sparrow
                      Full Member
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 2284

                      Interview in The Times today with Kyrylo Budanov- Ukraine’s intelligence chief. Last week he warned Russia was laying explosives at Zaporizhzhia, the good news is he now sees that threat receding.

                      I certainly hope that proved to be correct.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30300

                        Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                        Interview in The Times today with Kyrylo Budanov- Ukraine’s intelligence chief. Last week he warned Russia was laying explosives at Zaporizhzhia, the good news is he now sees that threat receding.

                        I certainly hope that proved to be correct.
                        This from 14 hours ago: https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-whats-...hia/a-66129374

                        On Prigozhin: if he'd had any misgivings I think he'd have had a good case for seeking asylum in the UK. He's probably got a Big Boat, as well as aircraft of various sorts.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Petrushka
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12252

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          This from 14 hours ago: https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-whats-...hia/a-66129374

                          On Prigozhin: if he'd had any misgivings I think he'd have had a good case for seeking asylum in the UK. He's probably got a Big Boat, as well as aircraft of various sorts.
                          He'd be arrested for war crimes if he tried or at least one hopes so. He'd be a huge intelligence asset, though.

                          Who knows what to believe from anyone at all in this saga? Everyone is probably feeding misinformation to everyone else but no doubt the truth will emerge in time.
                          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30300

                            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                            He'd be arrested for war crimes if he tried or at least one hopes so.
                            Yes, frying pan or fire for Mr Prigozhin, I'm afraid. If he can persuade Putin of his usefulness, it might save him, though I think I read that a lot of his assets had already been seized by the Kremlin.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37689

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Yes, frying pan or fire for Mr Prigozhin, I'm afraid. If he can persuade Putin of his usefulness, it might save him, though I think I read that a lot of his assets had already been seized by the Kremlin.
                              Why??

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                              • Pianorak
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3127

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Yes, frying pan or fire for Mr Prigozhin, I'm afraid. If he can persuade Putin of his usefulness, it might save him, though I think I read that a lot of his assets had already been seized by the Kremlin.
                                . . . St. Petersburg news outlet Fontanka reported Tuesday—citing undisclosed internal sources—that around 10 billion rubles ($111.2 million) made up of boxes of U.S. dollars and five gold bars were returned to the disgraced oligarch, who last month led a Wagner Group mutiny against Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chair of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov. . .

                                My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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