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  • Frances_iom
    Full Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 2413

    Originally posted by JasonPalmer View Post
    Oh dear, axis of evil again.... Russia,Iran,china ?
    It is good to know the significant depth of the coverage and discussion of the news to be found in the Daily Telegraph.

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    • Anastasius
      Full Member
      • Mar 2015
      • 1842

      Originally posted by JasonPalmer View Post
      Oh dear, axis of evil again.... Russia,Iran,china ?
      OK...so why are Iran giving all those drones to Russia ? Care to share your insight ?
      Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37703

        Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
        OK...so why are Iran giving all those drones to Russia ? Care to share your insight ?
        Care to tell us who will be selected next for the axis of evil?

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        • EnemyoftheStoat
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1132

          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          Care to tell us who will be selected next for the axis of evil?
          North Korea seem to have forgotten to pay their subs.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30323

            Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
            OK...so why are Iran giving all those drones to Russia ? Care to share your insight ?
            I'm not sure that they're giving them to Russia. Iran probably has more use for basic economic support at the moment than a need to develop its nuclear capability. Russia would be a more acceptable ally to Iran, I assume, than the US which would want certain concessions. Though that does indicate that the regime is unwilling to make those concessions at the moment.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37703

              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              I'm not sure that they're giving them to Russia. Iran probably has more use for basic economic support at the moment than a need to develop its nuclear capability. Russia would be a more acceptable ally to Iran, I assume, than the US which would want certain concessions. Though that does indicate that the regime is unwilling to make those concessions at the moment.
              Yes - Iran and Russia are now of course both in the diplomatic doghouse, and Russia no longer being "Communist" would be out of Iran's own Satanic axis.

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              • Anastasius
                Full Member
                • Mar 2015
                • 1842

                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                Care to tell us who will be selected next for the axis of evil?
                No idea, marra. Thought that was your area of expertise ?
                Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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                • JasonPalmer
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2022
                  • 826

                  Today's telegraph mentions the start of some programs about putin and the west starting tonight,

                  The inside story of how the west has struggled to deal with Putin.


                  From the 2014 seizure of Crimea to the invasion of Ukraine, this is the inside story of a decade of clashes - as told by the Western leaders who traded blows with Putin's Russia.
                  Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                  • Anastasius
                    Full Member
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 1842

                    Originally posted by JasonPalmer View Post
                    Today's telegraph mentions the start of some programs about putin and the west starting tonight,

                    The inside story of how the west has struggled to deal with Putin.


                    From the 2014 seizure of Crimea to the invasion of Ukraine, this is the inside story of a decade of clashes - as told by the Western leaders who traded blows with Putin's Russia.
                    Ah Western leaders...that stalwart of rational, unbiased, uncorrupted thought ..good ol' Dave 'Oh blimey, that Brexit vote didn't turn out right'.
                    Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37703

                      Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
                      Ah Western leaders...that stalwart of rational, unbiased, uncorrupted thought ..good ol' Dave 'Oh blimey, that Brexit vote didn't turn out right'.
                      He's not the only one somewhat out of the picture, then.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30323

                        Two long articles - 8 pages in all - in Prospect, giving different perspectives. Jonathan Powell (who was involved in negotiating the Good Friday Agreement) takes the 'fighting while talking' view, as a ceasefire simply gives the Russians a breather space to regroup, rearm &c. But he stresses that preparations should be started now for eventual negotiations, citing examples (eg Galtieri, Milošević) of what has and hasn't worked in recent history - including with Germany after WW1. Vladimir Milov, a former Navalny adviser, argues that negotiations can't be carried out with Putin whose promises/concessions can't be relied on. He cites 12 examples where Putin's Russia has reneged on treaties and accords. Nothing is possible until Russia is defeated and/or Putin removed.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • JasonPalmer
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2022
                          • 826

                          Countries seem reluctant to give Ukraine large numbers of tanks and modern fighter jets, this does not look goo. Almost as if they want Ukraine to accept the lost territories.
                          Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                          • Dave2002
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 18025

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            Two long articles - 8 pages in all - in Prospect, giving different perspectives. Jonathan Powell (who was involved in negotiating the Good Friday Agreement) takes the 'fighting while talking' view, as a ceasefire simply gives the Russians a breather space to regroup, rearm &c. But he stresses that preparations should be started now for eventual negotiations, citing examples (eg Galtieri, Milošević) of what has and hasn't worked in recent history - including with Germany after WW1. Vladimir Milov, a former Navalny adviser, argues that negotiations can't be carried out with Putin whose promises/concessions can't be relied on. He cites 12 examples where Putin's Russia has reneged on treaties and accords. Nothing is possible until Russia is defeated and/or Putin removed.
                            Are these the articles you meant?

                            It would be prudent for Kyiv to start thinking about a negotiated settlement, writes Jonathan Powell, who led negotiations in Northern Ireland. But fo...




                            Is the Jonathan Powell who wrote the first article this former Labour Adviser? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonath...abour_adviser)

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                            • RichardB
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2021
                              • 2170

                              Originally posted by JasonPalmer View Post
                              Almost as if they want Ukraine to accept the lost territories.
                              Or: almost as if they don't want to get involved in a direct war against Russia. Keep up at the back there. Anyway, it's not "countries", it's governments, with geopolitical agendas of their own.

                              All the talk in the media and from politicians is of tanks and planes and other weapons and hardly any of it is about the negotiated peace whose eventual occurrence is the only certain thing about this situation.

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                              • JasonPalmer
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2022
                                • 826

                                Putin now has an excuse to stop when he has reclaimed the bits he says belongs to Russia, spring offensive ..
                                Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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