Ukraine

[Dave2002]

There was much good in both the Tsarists and the socialist systems.

Such as? Stability [apart from a few revolutions, and other uprisings] you’ve mentioned, but what else? Under the Tsars Russia was a feudal system, with perhaps some enlightened land owners, but mostly people were poor. The revolutions at the start of the 20th Century may have reduced some problems, but replaced them with others. “Communism”, which sounds good in theory has not turned out well.

[Bella Kemp]

Such as? Stability [apart from a few revolutions, and other uprisings] you’ve mentioned, but what else? Under the Tsars Russia was a feudal system, with perhaps some enlightened land owners, but mostly people were poor. The revolutions at the start of the 20th Century may have reduced some problems, but replaced them with others. “Communism”, which sounds good in theory has not turned out well.

I totally agree. My statement was a little silly.

[Joseph K]

“Communism”, which sounds good in theory has not turned out well.

Yes, there is "Communism" and then there is communism. Capitalism sounds great in theory but is the ultimate evil in that it will spell the end of humans - unless we stop it.

[Dave2002]

Yes, there is "Communism" and then there is communism. Capitalism sounds great in theory but is the ultimate evil in that it will spell the end of humans - unless we stop it.

I’m not suggesting that Capitalism isn’t without faults. Would the end of humans be so bad?

Depends on your pov, I think.

[eighthobstruction]

I’m not suggesting that Capitalism isn’t without faults. Would the end of humans be so bad?

Depends on your pov, I think.

....How long will Ukraine have an inspirational leader....could end up going several different directions....20 years time will tell us....There will {obviously} be a great deal of Reconstruction needed....how that is handled and with what morals/ethics/ideologies/philosophies is a salient question to be yet asked....I hope Sustainability will be top of agenda beside the safety of this State (a large poor; in terms of GNP, State, at the moment sustained in a different way to fight above its weight....

[Serial_Apologist]

I’m not suggesting that Capitalism isn’t without faults. Would the end of humans be so bad?

Depends on your pov, I think.

One thing's for sure - there won't be any more points of view, not even on telly!

[Serial_Apologist]

....How long will Ukraine have an inspirational leader....could end up going several different directions....20 years time will tell us....There will {obviously} be a great deal of Reconstruction needed....how that is handled and with what morals/ethics/ideologies/philosophies is a salient question to be yet asked....I hope Sustainability will be top of agenda beside the safety of this State (a large poor; in terms of GNP, State, at the moment sustained in a different way to fight above its weight....

Sustainability is one thing capitalism is definitely NOT about! Not was Communism with its capital C - based as it was on faulty scientific thinking that still did not in the main see things in holistic terms in the 1920s or for reasons of politics did not take account of the read-across implications. One would like to think we're all growing up now in the light of greater wisdom on all the scientific fronts; but just at the moment more controlled forms of capitalism that apply the brakes to its worst manifestations are vital, we have right wing governments dedicated everywhere to maximising the worst, and self-proclaiming oppositions either carrying on advocating as before, or at most treating environmental issues merely as policy tack-ons instead of prerequisites.

[french frank]

....How long will Ukraine have an inspirational leader....could end up going several different directions....20 years time will tell us....There will {obviously} be a great deal of Reconstruction needed....how that is handled and with what morals/ethics/ideologies/philosophies is a salient question to be yet asked....I hope Sustainability will be top of agenda beside the safety of this State (a large poor; in terms of GNP, State, at the moment sustained in a different way to fight above its weight....

I hope it will get continuing support from the 'west' (unlikely to get it from anywhere else).

If people live in Ukraine but feel more Russian than Ukrainian, why don't they just go and live in Russia? No-one more likely than them to know that Ukrainians actually feel Ukrainian, and it isn't the way of the free world to march into someone else's country and start bombing it. I know, I'm a poor simple-minded creature. But Cave canem

[Serial_Apologist]

I hope it will get continuing support from the 'west' (unlikely to get it from anywhere else).

If people live in Ukraine but feel more Russian than Ukrainian, why don't they just go and live in Russia? No-one more likely than them to know that Ukrainians actually feel Ukrainian, and it isn't the way of the free world to march into someone else's country and start bombing it. I know, I'm a poor simple-minded creature. But Cave canem

You would never have said that to the Protestant descendants of Scottish settlers in the north of Ireland though!

[french frank]

You would never have said that to the Protestant descendants of Scottish settlers in the north of Ireland though!

Wouldn't I? I hope I live to see a united Ireland, and those who don't want to live there …

[eighthobstruction]

But Cave canem

....el perro esta loco???!!!....

[gurnemanz]

Sustainability is one thing capitalism is definitely NOT about! Not was Communism with its capital C - based as it was on faulty scientific thinking that still did not in the main see things in holistic terms in the 1920s or for reasons of politics did not take account of the read-across implications.

Communism surely only has a capital C when it is a proper noun and as such would only be capitalised in the title of a book or the name of an organisation.

[Serial_Apologist]

Communism surely only has a capital C when it is a proper noun and as such would only be capitalised in the title of a book or the name of an organisation.

TBH I've no idea! Communism with a big C is how western governments described the system imposed on the Soviet Union and the E Bloc after WW2; communism is the long-term objective of socialists who argue for an end to money-based economics, which might be applied within small-scale self-sufficient communes or worldwide after the need for money has been superseded.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Wouldn't I? I hope I live to see a united Ireland, and those who don't want to live there …

Not exactly a comment likely to bring people onside politically . Even Sinn Fein think twice about saying that latter bit publicly because it’s a bit of a red rag to an Orange bull.
You could always try supporting the Anglo- Irish agreement like the overwhelming majority of those North and South of the border and is the best guarantee of lasting peace.

[Serial_Apologist]

Not exactly a comment likely to bring people onside politically . Even Sinn Fein think twice about saying that latter bit publicly because it’s a bit of a red rag to an Orange bull.
You could always try supporting the Anglo- Irish agreement like the overwhelming majority of those North and South of the border and is the best guarantee of lasting peace.

Were it to be shown that Protestants in the Republic are (still?) discriminated against equivalent to the way Catholics were in the North, Unionists might have a case. One irony among many has always been cross-religious agreement over certain supposedly Christian doctrines, eg on homosexuality and fertility control. As it is Unionists are no longer legally entitled to treat Catholics as second-class citizens. Another irony is that Unionism has long represented the political Right in Ulster - for obvious reasons - and Sinn Fein thus occupies the Left, left vacated by the Labour-lite SDLP; Eire is in no hurry to unite the two halves of the country. There are obvious similarities with the situation in the Ukraine, especially in the Donbas. Britain's military intervention in N Ireland in '69, ostensibly to re-inforce peace, was in reality to boulster the status quo, i.e. Unionist power; if re-union between the two parts of Ireland is ever to come about it will be the result of demographic changes in the North.