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Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post<edit> it was the sinking of the Lusitania in May 1915 that provoked riots in many cities (esp London + Liverpool) as well as destruction of German owned shops, that provoked the wholesale internment of any who held German nationality (which included many who had been in the UK for many years and even had sons fighting in the army) - the Daily Mail was seen as the main purveyor of anti-German articles and it seems from reading various memos in the Foreign Office files of the period these articles played a significant role in shaping official responses but even then there were some in the civil service pointing out that there were significant numbers not interned and causing no problems.
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I was really rather surprised to see the news clips yesterday of the Ukrainian wheat fields, and farmers working just a few miles from a battle front, and a Ukrainian plane flying over and being targetted by a missile - which missed. Who would want to work in those conditions?
Now we hear that there is some sort of agreement to allow the export of grain both from Russia and Ukraine - very odd times.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostNow we hear that there is some sort of agreement to allow the export of grain both from Russia and Ukraine - very odd times.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostI couldn't possibly comment.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostOne comment made yesterday by someone who was introduced as authoritative was that Putin would not be likely to tarnish his own propaganda blaming his "special operation" on Ukrainians by attacking grain supposedly protected ...
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Originally posted by Frances_iom View PostIf you read the various assessments of Putin in Sweeney's "Killer in the Kremlin" this act is not unlikely - it is typical of Putin to demonstrate he can get away with anythingIt isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostIn any case, the Russians have already denied any involvement. Another case of the Ukrainians bombing themselves to pieces, presumably, in order to blame the Russians.
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Originally posted by Frances_iom View Postthat nonsense has already been replaced by a claims of highly accurate strikes on military targets - it seems a delivery of American anti-ship missiles;It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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There is increasing evidence that Ukraine has begun the long hoped-for counter-offensive.
After a period of extended pressure against Russian positions around Kherson and south of Zaporizhzhia Ukraine has now severely damaged key bridges to the south and east of the former city. This gives Russia some very difficult choices: either retreat from Kherson while they still can (although without much of their heavy equipment) or stay there and await events. Of course, I have no way of knowing what Ukraine's tactics will be, although an assault on Kherson seems the least likely option as they have no wish to kill their own people and destroy the city. Possible alternatives include isolating the Russian garrison and waiting for them to surrender, or a large offensive in occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast which will undermine the whole Russian position north of Crimea.
Either way, Russian attempts to organise some kind of fake referendum in Kherson - apparently scheduled for September 11th - seem even more unrealistic than before.Last edited by Historian; 28-07-22, 11:43.
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Originally posted by Frances_iom View Postthat nonsense has already been replaced by a claims of highly accurate strikes on military targets - it seems a delivery of American anti-ship missiles;
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostIt is possible that the claims on both sides are false. No need to give out too much information.
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Originally posted by Historian View PostRussia has a tendency to issue outright lies on a regular basis.
The Kherson situation is very interesting. It may only have fallen to the Russians in the first place because the attack came shortly after the invasion began and Ukraine didn't then have the capability to fight back. It has now.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Historian View PostThere is increasing evidence that Ukraine has begun the long hoped-for counter-offensive.
After a period of extended pressure against Russian positions around Kherson and south of Zaporizhzhia Ukraine has now severely damaged key bridges to the south and east of the former city. This gives Russia some very difficult choices: either retreat from Kherson while they still can (although without much of their heavy equipment) or stay there and await events.
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