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  • eighthobstruction
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 6432

    ....a very good interview....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mm3hgc1hhg&t=832s
    bong ching

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    • Mario
      Full Member
      • Aug 2020
      • 568

      In view of balanced and fair reporting, there is further development on exactly what he said.

      An addition to his previous quotes is given in my link upthread to Wiki on Berezovsky.

      I’m not convinced it vindicates him completely.

      Mario

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30254

        Dropped by his agent.

        Lars Vogt, a former friend, says their friendship is at an end.


        Originally posted by Auferstehen View Post
        In view of balanced and fair reporting, there is further development on exactly what he said.

        An addition to his previous quotes is given in my link upthread to Wiki on Berezovsky.

        I’m not convinced it vindicates him completely.

        Mario
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • RichardB
          Banned
          • Nov 2021
          • 2170

          I think Boris Berezovsky is a pretty good player, even if most of his repertoire doesn't especially appeal to me. But now his performing career has become collateral damage for making an idiotic comment. This is one small symptom of something that's going to have repercussions in the world of culture and the arts for a long time to come - I mean Russian musicians and artists are, deservedly or not, going to be discriminated against for a generation, now that thanks to Putin their names are basically mud. So much for creating a Greater Russia.

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          • Joseph K
            Banned
            • Oct 2017
            • 7765

            Originally posted by RichardB View Post
            I mean Russian musicians and artists are, deservedly or not, going to be discriminated against for a generation, now that thanks to Putin their names are basically mud. So much for creating a Greater Russia.
            I had in mind the great guitar player Evgeny Pobozhiy.

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            • Mario
              Full Member
              • Aug 2020
              • 568

              Fellow music-lovers I wonder, I wonder, I really do.

              In a decade’s time, will this entire tragedy be forgotten, and CD and ticket sales be prioritised and the likes of Gergiev welcomed back?

              Just a thought…

              Mario

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              • mahlerfan
                Banned
                • Aug 2021
                • 118

                Originally posted by RichardB View Post
                I think Boris Berezovsky is a pretty good player, even if most of his repertoire doesn't especially appeal to me. But now his performing career has become collateral damage for making an idiotic comment. This is one small symptom of something that's going to have repercussions in the world of culture and the arts for a long time to come - I mean Russian musicians and artists are, deservedly or not, going to be discriminated against for a generation, now that thanks to Putin their names are basically mud. So much for creating a Greater Russia.
                Agreed, a huge impact and even bigger and longer than that which followed the crimes of Hitler and the Third Reich, due to the paradigm shift in general thinking, nowadays. The bogey men won’t be held to account, they’ll simply be cancelled, along with anything else associated to greater or lesser degrees, and rightly or wrongly, with Putin.

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30254

                  Originally posted by Auferstehen View Post
                  In a decade’s time, will this entire tragedy be forgotten, and CD and ticket sales be prioritised and the likes of Gergiev welcomed back?
                  I'm sure it will be forgotten by some, others will want it to be forgotten, others will be unable to forget. I would hope that individuals will be treated as individuals and not all if they had been monsters. "What did you do in the war, Daddy?" Some have probably burnt their boats. And for some, even, did they really know what was happening?
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • RichardB
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2021
                    • 2170

                    Originally posted by Auferstehen View Post
                    In a decade’s time, will this entire tragedy be forgotten, and CD and ticket sales be prioritised and the likes of Gergiev welcomed back?
                    That was certainly the case with many prominent German musicians who were fellow travellers of the Third Reich of course.

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                    • mahlerfan
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2021
                      • 118

                      Originally posted by RichardB View Post
                      That was certainly the case with many prominent German musicians who were fellow travellers of the Third Reich of course.
                      Not quite the same, Karajan was already recording with the The Philharmonia in 1948. We'll not see the likes of Berezovsky, Gergiev et al, back that quick, if at all. What do you think Richard (or others)?

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30254

                        Originally posted by mahlerfan View Post
                        We'll not see the likes of Berezovsky, Gergiev et al, back that quick, if at all. What do you think Richard (or others)?
                        Berezovsky said anyway he wasn't intending to come to the west 'for three years or so'. I doubt he'll return at a time of his own choosing. Three years seems optimistic on his part, especially if he has to set up new links to do so.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • mahlerfan
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2021
                          • 118

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          Berezovsky said anyway he wasn't intending to come to the west 'for three years or so'. I doubt he'll return at a time of his own choosing. Three years seems optimistic on his part, especially if he has to set up new links to do so.
                          But I bet Gergiev wants to be back in western concert halls pretty damn quick.

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                          • RichardB
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2021
                            • 2170

                            Originally posted by mahlerfan View Post
                            Not quite the same, Karajan was already recording with the The Philharmonia in 1948. We'll not see the likes of Berezovsky, Gergiev et al, back that quick, if at all. What do you think Richard (or others)?
                            My feeling is that you're right. Public figures are subject to far more scrutiny now than in the post-1945 period. I guess it will depend to some extent on how contrite these people eventually are.

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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12241

                              Originally posted by mahlerfan View Post
                              But I bet Gergiev wants to be back in western concert halls pretty damn quick.
                              He'll be lucky! Gergiev is toxic right now and I can't see that changing for a very long time, if ever. It's not as if Gergiev is some sort of naive fool who has been duped by Putin. They go back a long way and it's a personal friendship. Indeed, I can't think of a Third Reich equivalent here, no matter how much some musicians compromised themselves or went along with the system for their own reasons. Winifred Wagner might be considered as a rough approximation but she wasn't a conductor on the world stage.
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • mahlerfan
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2021
                                • 118

                                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                                He'll be lucky! Gergiev is toxic right now and I can't see that changing for a very long time, if ever. It's not as if Gergiev is some sort of naive fool who has been duped by Putin. They go back a long way and it's a personal friendship. Indeed, I can't think of a Third Reich equivalent here, no matter how much some musicians compromised themselves or went along with the system for their own reasons. Winifred Wagner might be considered as a rough approximation but she wasn't a conductor on the world stage.
                                I agree there may be differences, and I must confess that I don't actually know anything about Gergiev and Putin's friendship, which is worrying, given that I'm adamant he should be banned!

                                Speer? He seems to have been more complicit than Gergiev. Again, I'm no expert.

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