Ukraine

[eighthobstruction]

....a very good interview....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mm3hgc1hhg&t=832s

[Mario]

In view of balanced and fair reporting, there is further development on exactly what he said.

An addition to his previous quotes is given in my link upthread to Wiki on Berezovsky.

I’m not convinced it vindicates him completely.

Mario

[french frank]

Dropped by his agent.

Lars Vogt, a former friend, says their friendship is at an end.

In view of balanced and fair reporting, there is further development on exactly what he said.

An addition to his previous quotes is given in my link upthread to Wiki on Berezovsky.

I’m not convinced it vindicates him completely.

Mario

[RichardB]

I think Boris Berezovsky is a pretty good player, even if most of his repertoire doesn't especially appeal to me. But now his performing career has become collateral damage for making an idiotic comment. This is one small symptom of something that's going to have repercussions in the world of culture and the arts for a long time to come - I mean Russian musicians and artists are, deservedly or not, going to be discriminated against for a generation, now that thanks to Putin their names are basically mud. So much for creating a Greater Russia.

[Joseph K]

I mean Russian musicians and artists are, deservedly or not, going to be discriminated against for a generation, now that thanks to Putin their names are basically mud. So much for creating a Greater Russia.

I had in mind the great guitar player Evgeny Pobozhiy.

[Mario]

Fellow music-lovers I wonder, I wonder, I really do.

In a decade’s time, will this entire tragedy be forgotten, and CD and ticket sales be prioritised and the likes of Gergiev welcomed back?

Just a thought…

Mario

[mahlerfan]

I think Boris Berezovsky is a pretty good player, even if most of his repertoire doesn't especially appeal to me. But now his performing career has become collateral damage for making an idiotic comment. This is one small symptom of something that's going to have repercussions in the world of culture and the arts for a long time to come - I mean Russian musicians and artists are, deservedly or not, going to be discriminated against for a generation, now that thanks to Putin their names are basically mud. So much for creating a Greater Russia.

Agreed, a huge impact and even bigger and longer than that which followed the crimes of Hitler and the Third Reich, due to the paradigm shift in general thinking, nowadays. The bogey men won’t be held to account, they’ll simply be cancelled, along with anything else associated to greater or lesser degrees, and rightly or wrongly, with Putin.

[french frank]

In a decade’s time, will this entire tragedy be forgotten, and CD and ticket sales be prioritised and the likes of Gergiev welcomed back?

I'm sure it will be forgotten by some, others will want it to be forgotten, others will be unable to forget. I would hope that individuals will be treated as individuals and not all if they had been monsters. "What did you do in the war, Daddy?" Some have probably burnt their boats. And for some, even, did they really know what was happening?

[RichardB]

In a decade’s time, will this entire tragedy be forgotten, and CD and ticket sales be prioritised and the likes of Gergiev welcomed back?

That was certainly the case with many prominent German musicians who were fellow travellers of the Third Reich of course.

[mahlerfan]

That was certainly the case with many prominent German musicians who were fellow travellers of the Third Reich of course.

Not quite the same, Karajan was already recording with the The Philharmonia in 1948. We'll not see the likes of Berezovsky, Gergiev et al, back that quick, if at all. What do you think Richard (or others)?

[french frank]

We'll not see the likes of Berezovsky, Gergiev et al, back that quick, if at all. What do you think Richard (or others)?

Berezovsky said anyway he wasn't intending to come to the west 'for three years or so'. I doubt he'll return at a time of his own choosing. Three years seems optimistic on his part, especially if he has to set up new links to do so.

[mahlerfan]

Berezovsky said anyway he wasn't intending to come to the west 'for three years or so'. I doubt he'll return at a time of his own choosing. Three years seems optimistic on his part, especially if he has to set up new links to do so.

But I bet Gergiev wants to be back in western concert halls pretty damn quick.

[RichardB]

Not quite the same, Karajan was already recording with the The Philharmonia in 1948. We'll not see the likes of Berezovsky, Gergiev et al, back that quick, if at all. What do you think Richard (or others)?

My feeling is that you're right. Public figures are subject to far more scrutiny now than in the post-1945 period. I guess it will depend to some extent on how contrite these people eventually are.

[Petrushka]

But I bet Gergiev wants to be back in western concert halls pretty damn quick.

He'll be lucky! Gergiev is toxic right now and I can't see that changing for a very long time, if ever. It's not as if Gergiev is some sort of naive fool who has been duped by Putin. They go back a long way and it's a personal friendship. Indeed, I can't think of a Third Reich equivalent here, no matter how much some musicians compromised themselves or went along with the system for their own reasons. Winifred Wagner might be considered as a rough approximation but she wasn't a conductor on the world stage.

[mahlerfan]

He'll be lucky! Gergiev is toxic right now and I can't see that changing for a very long time, if ever. It's not as if Gergiev is some sort of naive fool who has been duped by Putin. They go back a long way and it's a personal friendship. Indeed, I can't think of a Third Reich equivalent here, no matter how much some musicians compromised themselves or went along with the system for their own reasons. Winifred Wagner might be considered as a rough approximation but she wasn't a conductor on the world stage.

I agree there may be differences, and I must confess that I don't actually know anything about Gergiev and Putin's friendship, which is worrying, given that I'm adamant he should be banned!

Speer? He seems to have been more complicit than Gergiev. Again, I'm no expert.