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Originally posted by RichardB View PostWhere are the offers for direct discussions between NATO and Russia?
Originally posted by RichardB View PostWouldn't this be a good idea since NATO is the real enemy as far as Putin is concerned?
Originally posted by LHC View PostMoving away from the blame game momentarily, this article by Professor Lawrence Freedman on quite how badly the war is going for Russia is interesting.
https://samf.substack.com/p/space-and-time?s=r
(Slight digression: when I shared a house with people from the Bradford Peace Studies department the standing joke was there were more pacifists in the KCL War Studies department where Prof. Freedman used to work)
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostDo you actually believe anything which comes out of the "rulers" of Belarus or Russia?
President Lukashenko of Belarus, Putin’s co-conspirator, provided a vital staging post for the Russian invasion, but even he may be dithering about the extent to which he wishes his own troops to be engaged, not least, one presumes, because this would add to his deep unpopularity.
Do you know anything different? Regret to say that I find the insinuation behind your question to verge on the offensive.
I'll now withdraw from this thread."The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Originally posted by Bryn View Post
There are dangers in allowing free entry to anyone and everyone without checks. However it does rather seem that the UK government is rather dragging its heels - while it should be possible to put some checks in place quite quickly, and provide humanitarian aid and sanctuary to people who really do need it.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostMy understanding is that this will now be considered as the required number of votes has been reached.
There are dangers in allowing free entry to anyone and everyone without checks. However it does rather seem that the UK government is rather dragging its heels - while it should be possible to put some checks in place quite quickly, and provide humanitarian aid and sanctuary to people who really do need it.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostMy understanding is that this will now be considered as the required number of votes has been reached.
There are dangers in allowing free entry to anyone and everyone without checks. However it does rather seem that the UK government is rather dragging its heels - while it should be possible to put some checks in place quite quickly, and provide humanitarian aid and sanctuary to people who really do need it.
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Its easy, just phone up for an appointment, hop on a train to Paris or Brussels ideally one with a decent lunch menu and wine list and pop into the British Embassy pick up the Visa and fit in a spot of shopping and a pleasant dinner before getting the train back to Calais. What could be simpler.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostMy understanding is that this will now be considered as the required number of votes has been reached.
There are dangers in allowing free entry to anyone and everyone without checks. However it does rather seem that the UK government is rather dragging its heels - while it should be possible to put some checks in place quite quickly, and provide humanitarian aid and sanctuary to people who really do need it.
I also wonder what is going to happen about the sponsorship approach. A couple of local businesses with links to Ukraine have offered to take people already known to them and provide accommodation and support as necessary, Sadly I suspect that there efforts will be in vain, like the individuals who offered homes to Afghan professionals known to them directly or otherwise) but were told what they were offering was unsuitable as it wasn't in the city.
Keeping track of who is coming in and where they are going makes sense, but founders on the legacy of years when no such checks or records were made and kept as it was not considered necessary to control immigration - highlighted in the fall out from Brexit - unlike other EU countries.
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Originally posted by gradus View PostIts easy, just phone up for an appointment, hop on a train to Paris or Brussels ideally one with a decent lunch menu and wine list and pop into the British Embassy pick up the Visa and fit in a spot of shopping and a pleasant dinner before getting the train back to Calais. What could be simpler.
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In the meantime the "fake news" New York Times has this - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/w...-families.html
Can't be true, can it!
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Were the (UN estimate) of 5 million refugees to be divided equally between European countries (excluding Russia , Belarus and Ukraine) on a population basis that would mean 600,000 plus refugees coming to the UK .Migration statistics are not hugely accurate but the highest uk net migration figures I’ve seen were those for 2015 - some 300,000.
600.000 is doable because anything is doable but it would be a very very significant challenge to local authorities particularly in towns / cities of 100,000 where the majority would be resettled. A challenge because over the years their resources have been cut.
Of course the real figure wouldn’t be anything like 600,000 but even at a tenth of that - 60,000 - possibly the very least the UK could credibly offer given the millions that may soon be in Poland - that will need preparation now and not when it starts becoming a matter of life and death.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostIn the meantime the "fake news" New York Times has this - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/w...-families.html
Can't be true, can it!
Odesans have been on balance pro-Russia, but the idea that Russians might attack/bomb Odesa seems to change minds. Allegedly. It's not a question of 'believing or disbelieving'. It's a question of 'not knowing'. Whether you believe or disbelieve may be affected by the prejudice you start out with.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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