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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30254

    At 16.23 the BBC are reporting the Russians have been 'forced out' of Lyman. One can't help feeling that Putin's recent escalation of the situation will renew Ukrainian resolve on the ground - but do less for the Russian troops.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      For those on Facbook: https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4A&oe=633E3E06

      Shared by pianist and, IIRC, erstwhile contributor here, Jonathan Powell, with the message "The soldier on the right is the conductor Nazar Yatskiv, who directed our performance of Rachmaninoff's third concerto about 9 years ago in Ivano Frankivsk. Slava Ukraini!". The original posting of the photograph by Nazar Yatskiv read: " Міжнародним Днем Музики!" (Happy International Day of Music!)

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      • Historian
        Full Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 641

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        At 16.23 the BBC are reporting the Russians have been 'forced out' of Lyman. One can't help feeling that Putin's recent escalation of the situation will renew Ukrainian resolve on the ground - but do less for the Russian troops.
        Lyman (and the towns/villages around it) fell this morning, with probable heavy Russian casualties. Ukraine's armed forces now on the outskirts of Kreminna with further advances east in prospect. Even more importantly, the main road to the crucial road and railway junction of Svatove is now available. If Ukraine can capture this soon then the whole Russian position in northern Luhansk is at risk.

        The fall of Lyman also raises the possibility of Ukraine being able to bypass defences around Lysychansk and Severodonetsk and start pushing into Donetsk oblast. Both these operations may be limited by the autumn rains/mud which, however, are not as difficult as the mud in spring apparently.

        Either way, it's another disaster for Putin. The 'partial mobilisation' is unlikely to stop, although it may slow, Ukraine's advance.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30254

          Originally posted by Historian View Post
          Either way, it's another disaster for Putin. The 'partial mobilisation' is unlikely to stop, although it may slow, Ukraine's advance.
          And how easy it is to sign a piece of paper in Moscow and have people dance about and wave Russian flags.
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Historian
            Full Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 641

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            And how easy it is to sign a piece of paper in Moscow and have people dance about and wave Russian flags.
            Many (most?) were bussed in apparently.

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30254

              Originally posted by Historian View Post
              Many (most?) were bussed in apparently.
              Those in the photograph after the signing were just the people Putin had put in charge of the occupied areas.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Historian
                Full Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 641

                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                Those in the photograph after the signing were just the people Putin had put in charge of the occupied areas.
                I feel that those positions might only be held for a relatively short-term.

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                • Serial_Apologist
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37617

                  Originally posted by Historian View Post
                  Many (most?) were bussed in apparently.
                  There didn't appear to be a lot of joy on the faces buried under all those flags!

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                  • Historian
                    Full Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 641

                    As well as continued Ukrainian success in the north-east, with Kreminna in danger of encirclement, there are also reports of an advance on the Kherson front. The fighting here, against one of the stronger and more capable fronts of the Russian armed forces, has been bitter with heavy losses on both sides. In the north part of the sector (West of the Dnipro river) Ukraine has taken back Zolota Balka. There are also rumours of greater success but so far without confirmation. Still good news, potentially showing the breakdown of the Russian position there.

                    EDIT: There is also news of Ukraine breaking out eastwards from their Kupyansk bridgehead (in the north east) and heading towards the communications hub of Svatove.

                    [Apologies to anyone whose knowledge of Ukrainian geography is such that a map would help decipher my posts. I don't line appending large images and a small one would not help.]
                    Last edited by Historian; 02-10-22, 18:54.

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                    • Frances_iom
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 2411

                      there was an interesting comment in Saturday's episode of Crossing Continents re the Russians moving to Georgia to avoid the draft - the reporter asked some if they had previously demonstrated against the war - it seems that for many it was only when they were in danger of being forced to fight that they gave any consideration to the war - very little consideration given, it appears, for the Ukrainians apart from one who stated he had always voted against Putin and had sent some money to relief societies.

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        Originally posted by Historian View Post
                        As well as continued Ukrainian success in the north-east, with Kreminna in danger of encirclement, there are also reports of an advance on the Kherson front. The fighting here, against one of the stronger and more capable fronts of the Russian armed forces, has been bitter with heavy losses on both sides. In the north part of the sector (West of the Dnipro river) Ukraine has taken back Zolota Balka. There are also rumours of greater success but so far without confirmation. Still good news, potentially showing the breakdown of the Russian position there.

                        EDIT: There is also news of Ukraine breaking out eastwards from their Kupyansk bridgehead (in the north east) and heading towards the communications hub of Svatove.

                        [Apologies to anyone whose knowledge of Ukrainian geography is such that a map would help decipher my posts. I don't line appending large images and a small one would not help.]
                        Worth bearing in mind that one does not upload an image to this Forum, as such. One links to an off-Forum URL. One can also choose to just include the URL, with "dot" substituted for the full stop (period)., rather than linking to it, e.g. https://www.google(dot)com/maps/plac...3!4d31.1655799 Those wanting to view the map just have to replace the "(dot)" with "."

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                        • Historian
                          Full Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 641

                          Thank you Bryn: will bear that in mind and see if I can find a suitable map or maps to link to.

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                          • Frances_iom
                            Full Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 2411

                            Originally posted by Historian View Post
                            Thank you Bryn: will bear that in mind and see if I can find a suitable map or maps to link to.
                            The 1990 edition of the USSR railway atlas pp66-78 include Ukraine - naturally names are in Cyrillic but they are A5 pages

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                            • duncan
                              Full Member
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 246

                              Originally posted by Historian View Post
                              Thank you Bryn: will bear that in mind and see if I can find a suitable map or maps to link to.
                              As Historian says, a number of reliable commentators are reporting a major breakthrough NE of Kherson. This map, retweeted by Shashank Joshi - Defence Editor at The Economist, is one of the more conservative representations.

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                              • duncan
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 246

                                This interactive map gives a good overview of who is in control of different parts of the country and where the fighting is occurring. It is produced by someone who is not subject expert (a baseball statistician) but it has proven to be reasonably accurate. It is updated several times a day when the situation is dynamic. Names are both Roman and Cyrillic and it's searchable which makes it easy to follow-up on a news report for example.

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