Where is the Orthodox Church, or rather the Orthodox Churches, on Putin and all this? And going further, what are the nominally "western" churches saying to/ advising to them? We seem to hear nothing beyond the usual "human suffering" etc.
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Originally posted by Bryn View Post
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostWhere is the Orthodox Church, or rather the Orthodox Churches, on Putin and all this? And going further, what are the nominally "western" churches saying to/ advising to them? We seem to hear nothing beyond the usual "human suffering" etc.
Clergy takes ‘difficult decision’ to cut ties with the Moscow patriarchate over the invasion of Ukraine
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostWhere is the Orthodox Church, or rather the Orthodox Churches, on Putin and all this? ....
As for Putin there was the 1st part of what should be an excellent series at 11am today on R4 on his background and rise to power - like Brighton rock he is stamped with KGB through & through - possibly joining it "as the biggest gang in town".
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....very funny anecdote coming out of Ukr....Many pets have just been let loose and are strays....a Ukr woman noticing a large Husky dog running around fields near her, decided to catch it and get it to a vet/shelter....she spent a couple of hours trying to catch it and in the end was successful....on getting it to the vets - it was verified to be a Wolf....bong ching
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Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post....very funny anecdote coming out of Ukr....Many pets have just been let loose and are strays....a Ukr woman noticing a large Husky dog running around fields near her, decided to catch it and get it to a vet/shelter....she spent a couple of hours trying to catch it and in the end was successful....on getting it to the vets - it was verified to be a Wolf....
Good to see the 7-year old who entertained a cellarful of people with a Disney film song now with her nan in Poland, and still singing. Her parents are still back there however. And what of the astonishingly brave young employee who demonstrated in front of the Russian state TV news! From what little footage we get it would appear that women there seem to be at the forefront of much of this opposition.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostWhere is the Orthodox Church, or rather the Orthodox Churches, on Putin and all this?
Later rant: https://archbishopcranmer.com/patria...its-gay-pride/
Initial statement by the head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate): https://orthochristian.com/144642.html (defending the "integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine")
Recent statement from the Patriarch of Constantinople: https://orthodoxtimes.com/ecumenical...ar-in-ukraine/
Interview with the number two bishop in the Patriarchate of Constantinople: https://orthodoxtimes.com/elder-metr...more-stifling/
Letter to Moscow by the Primate of the Orthodox Church of Greece: https://orthodoxtimes.com/archbishop...cular-leaders/
Letter from one of the Moscow Patriarchate Bishops in Paris: https://archeveche.eu/en/open-letter...rch-of-moscow/
Response of the Patriarch of Moscow to a letter from the Acting General Secretary of the World Council of Churches: https://www.oikoumene.org/resources/...sh-translation
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I don't know if anyone is clever enough to play this clip (I don't understand/belong to Facebook) but when Mrs A played it to me it made me weep. It's a Ukrainian home that has been bombed, and the final act of the wife (?) is to play her grand piano...not a bad amateur player...before fleeing.
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Originally posted by ardcarp View PostI don't know if anyone is clever enough to play this clip (I don't understand/belong to Facebook) but when Mrs A played it to me it made me weep. It's a Ukrainian home that has been bombed, and the final act of the wife (?) is to play her grand piano...not a bad amateur player...before fleeing.
https://www.facebook.com/10000074819...441023941/?d=n
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Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post....very funny anecdote coming out of Ukr....Many pets have just been let loose and are strays....a Ukr woman noticing a large Husky dog running around fields near her, decided to catch it and get it to a vet/shelter....she spent a couple of hours trying to catch it and in the end was successful....on getting it to the vets - it was verified to be a Wolf...."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostI doubt that it'll make a shred of difference.
None of these explain Chechnya, Georgia or Crimea. One explanation covers all three - plus Ukraine: Putin wanting to get/keep control and is willing to use military force to do so. Ockham's razor.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by ardcarp View PostI don't know if anyone is clever enough to play this clip (I don't understand/belong to Facebook) but when Mrs A played it to me it made me weep. It's a Ukrainian home that has been bombed, and the final act of the wife (?) is to play her grand piano...not a bad amateur player...before fleeing.
https://www.facebook.com/10000074819...441023941/?d=n
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Originally posted by french frank View PostYou may be right. The danger sign is that Putin has too many "reasons" for invading: Ukraine wants to join Nato which threatens Russia's security. Ukrainians are committing genocide in Donbas. Ukraine is governed by neo-Nazis and Russia is liberating the people. The legitimate president was overthrown in a coup. And so on.
None of these explain Chechnya, Georgia or Crimea. One explanation covers all three - plus Ukraine: Putin wanting to get/keep control and is willing to use military force to do so. Ockham's razor.
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