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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37616

    Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
    ....a new type of pogrom is going on in a area of the world that used to be rife with pogroms....
    What gets ever more insane in all this is when one contemplates the country that will be left for who? - fgs, to re-construct. There is going to be an awful dearth of menfolk....

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    • RichardB
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      • Nov 2021
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      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      Which of course implies Oborne has to be biassed on Corbyn, otherwise you wouldn't have seen fit to speak in such generalisations.
      The point of the article is to set the record straight on what Jeremy Corbyn actually said about Putin, about Russian money funding the Tories, about NATO's eastward expansion. Those of us who were listening knew all this already, as of course do Corbyn's smearers among the media and politicians of both major parties. And yet the smears went on, and still go on, even now that he's not only no longer Labour leader but actually suspended from the party.

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
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        Originally posted by RichardB View Post
        The point of the article is to set the record straight on what Jeremy Corbyn actually said about Putin, about Russian money funding the Tories, about NATO's eastward expansion. Those of us who were listening knew all this already, as of course do Corbyn's smearers among the media and politicians of both major parties. And yet the smears went on, and still go on, even now that he's not only no longer Labour leader but actually suspended from the party.
        Exactly!!!

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        • french frank
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          • Feb 2007
          • 30254

          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          Which of course implies Oborne has to be biassed on Corbyn, otherwise you wouldn't have seen fit to speak in such generalisations.
          No, not that he has to be biased, but that he may be. I need more time to study the history of Middle East Eye as I don't know the source. 'Credibility' is worth studying: do we consider 'credible' people whose opinions we agree with? And vice versa, rubbish the ones we disagree with? Am I biased because I remember the disagreement in the PLP over the Skripal case? Who isn't biased?
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Serial_Apologist
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            • Dec 2010
            • 37616

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            No, not that he has to be biased, but that he may be. I need more time to study the history of Middle East Eye as I don't know the source. 'Credibility' is worth studying: do we consider 'credible' people whose opinions we agree with? And vice versa, rubbish the ones we disagree with? Am I biased because I remember the disagreement in the PLP over the Skripal case? Who isn't biased?
            It isn't a question of you or anyone else being biased.

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            • eighthobstruction
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              • Nov 2010
              • 6432

              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
              What gets ever more insane in all this is when one contemplates the country that will be left for who? - fgs, to re-construct. There is going to be an awful dearth of menfolk....
              ....indeed, and what is next - the infamous'barrel bomb' of Alepo/Syria....I saw (on news] a crater 6-7M deep from a high explosive bomb.... these Ukrainian coastal cities and towns being hit both from land and Naval bombardment....
              bong ching

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              • Bryn
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                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                ....indeed, and what is next - the infamous'barrel bomb' of Alepo/Syria....I saw (on news] a crater 6-7M deep from a high explosive bomb.... these Ukrainian coastal cities and towns being hit both from land and Naval bombardment....
                Why have the 'friends' of Ukraine apparently failed to provide its forces with the means to sink Russian war vessels off the coast of their country?

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                • eighthobstruction
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  ....just watching Former US Ambassador McFaul on msnbc....says [para] please stop calling it a No Fly Zone....and start using the phrase Declaration of War....
                  bong ching

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37616

                    Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                    ....indeed, and what is next - the infamous'barrel bomb' of Alepo/Syria....I saw (on news] a crater 6-7M deep from a high explosive bomb.... these Ukrainian coastal cities and towns being hit both from land and Naval bombardment....
                    I remember seeing a documentary about Chernobyl, twenty or something years after the explosion. They were taking people on very time-limited tours, visitors in protective clothing wearing geiger counters. Nature had reclaimed the entire site - there were a few horrifying examples of mutations evident in species, but not as many has had been feared: nature was cleaning up, and I guess a country of the Ukraine's landmass could provide a valuable source for re-balancing the world's ecosystems if left unattended and untended. Perhaps the UN will be in a position to declare it a large nature reserve or Site of Special Scientific Interest: for which read Human Interest.

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                    • eighthobstruction
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 6432

                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      Why have the 'friends' of Ukraine apparently failed to provide its forces with the means to sink Russian war vessels off the coast of their country?
                      well indeed....ideas of Laurence Harvey on a mini -sub....yes I have wondered too....best people to ask is Iran {they seem to have state of art torpedoes]

                      ....also Russia seem to have coastal towns in a logistics squeeze....
                      bong ching

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37616

                        Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                        well indeed....ideas of Laurence Harvey on a mini -sub....yes I have wondered too....best people to ask is Iran {they seem to have state of art torpedoes]

                        ....also Russia seem to have coastal town in a logistics trap....
                        Not sure which side Iran is on in all of this. But the idea of Laurence Harvey... the worst of all male example setters of all those 1950s/60s movies!

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                        • Frances_iom
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                          • Mar 2007
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                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          What gets ever more insane in all this is when one contemplates the country that will be left for who? - fgs, to re-construct. There is going to be an awful dearth of menfolk....
                          according to R4 news Putin has asked for 'volunteers' from other countries (Syria was mentioned) to come and help in Ukraine. WW3 gets more likely with each day.

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                          • oddoneout
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                            • Nov 2015
                            • 9148

                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            What gets ever more insane in all this is when one contemplates the country that will be left for who? - fgs, to re-construct. There is going to be an awful dearth of menfolk....
                            Not sure that needs to be such a big issue?

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37616

                              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                              Not sure that needs to be such a big issue?


                              I was thinking more of re-population!

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                              • Boilk
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                                • Dec 2010
                                • 976

                                Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                                Polygraph.info is a fact-checking website produced by Voice of America (VOA)​. The website serves as a resource for verifying the increasing volume of disinformation and misinformation being distributed and shared globally.

                                VOA journalists research and analyze quotes, stories, and reports distributed by government officials, government-sponsored media and other high-profile individuals. The reporters separate fact from fiction, add context, and debunk lies.
                                I'm cynical about any appendage of the US government being non-partisan and 100% factual. In fact during the Trump administration VoA became perhaps more politicised than ever, as this Seattle Times editorial alludes to. I've no reason to believe it has suddenly become whiter-than-white since the Biden administration ousted former Trump loyalists.

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