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Originally posted by Boilk View PostAnd last week I joked to a work colleague that generic Russophobia was becoming so entrenched in every aspect of the mainstream media that before long we could see supermarkets renaming Chicken Kiev as Chicken Kyiv - now it's happening
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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View PostI don’t see how clearing the supermarket shelves of Russian goods helps any one. Note my post up thread on the virtue signalling Hock ban in WW1 that had Siegfried Sassoon MC and his officer friend wryly amused during a much deserved break from the fighting…It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostThough renaming Chicken Kiev as Chicken Kyiv does have a point, I think …
But if it makes you feel better how about on a musical point renaming Tschaikovsky’s “Little Russia “ symphony , which features Ukrainian folk songs “The Ukrainian “ ?
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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View PostI just don’t see it makes much differenceIt isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostThere isn't a lot we can do to 'make a difference'. I'm not sure that mass protests on the streets make much of a difference. Both are ways of speaking out.
What would make a difference is supporting charities giving humanitarian aid to the displaced.
And in my view , though I suspect not everyone’s, not complaining at the tax and price increases which will inevitably result from all this. In the 80’s around 4 to 5 % of UK GDP went on defence . Now it’s 2 % . I suspect it will pretty soon be 3 % whatever the government is. And that will impact on all other areas of government spending.,
We could also support independent journalism produced by the BBC, ITV and SKY , the TIMES and GUARDIAN rather than slurring them with the tag mainstream media.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI'm not sure that mass protests on the streets make much of a difference.
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Originally posted by RichardB View PostHow much of a difference do they need to make for it to be worth taking part? If I were in Ukraine now, I think my will to continue resisting might well be strengthened by seeing that people all over the world are raising their voices in support. And especially people in Russia. As I've said here before, I remember Nelson Mandela thanking the British people (and pointedly not the British government) for making their voices heard against apartheid. We can all point at examples of protests that had no impact outside the solidarity and morale of participants (although those are important too), but we can equally point at examples where they did (for example in the ending of the Milošević regime). How much of a difference is there between staying at home and saying it makes no difference, and going out to demonstrate just in case it might?
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....Banal utterance/observation....while the cities are a mass of debris and rubble....majority of refugee operations situation seem to be scrupulously clean and free of litter [given the amount of fast food etc being given out]....
....also the bushes next to that Russian convoy outside Kyiv must be taking a battering....bong ching
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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View PostThere’s a lot we could do.,
What would make a difference is supporting charities giving humanitarian aid to the displaced.
And in my view , though I suspect not everyone’s, not complaining at the tax and price increases which will inevitably result from all this. In the 80’s around 4 to 5 % of UK GDP went on defence . Now it’s 2 % . I suspect it will pretty soon be 3 % whatever the government is. And that will impact on all other areas of government spending.,
We could also support independent journalism produced by the BBC, ITV and SKY , the TIMES and GUARDIAN rather than slurring them with the tag mainstream media.
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Originally posted by Maclintick View PostI agree with much of this, but ways must be found so that the extra tax and price increases do not fall heaviest on those who can least afford them. Unfortunately, for the last 12 years we're been saddled with governments which have ensured that the reverse is true.
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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View PostI just don’t see it makes much difference when strategists are trying to work out whether Putin will go nuclear if he loses
But if it makes you feel better how about on a musical point renaming Tschaikovsky’s “Little Russia “ symphony , which features Ukrainian folk songs “The Ukrainian “ ?
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Originally posted by Joseph K View PostCourtesy of Yanis Varoufakis's facebook page...
The phrase “useful idiots “ is attributed to Lenin and refers to West based pro Soviet Intellectuals but there’s no evidence he actually used it.
That’s the problem with all this - more straw men.
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