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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30903

    Trump says Russia is easier to deal with than Ukraine because Putin really does want an end to the war. Of course he wants it to end - with a win for Russia. If the victim of the aggression wants the leader of the free world to help, they must pay for it with valuable mineral and other resources.

    'The US reportedly dropped Donald Trump’s initial demand for $500 billion in potential revenue from Ukrainian resources, a condition which was rejected out of hand by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.

    “I am not signing something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to repay,” Mr Zelensky had said.'


    It did sound a bit like: 'Pay up or Putin wins'; so it's as well that Trump backed down on that demand ... :-/
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • kernelbogey
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      • Nov 2010
      • 5927

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      ....It did sound a bit like: 'Pay up or Putin wins'; so it's as well that Trump backed down on that demand ... :-/
      Instead he's given his mate Putin what we used to call 'a bunk up' by switching off access to the surveillance....

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      • Dave2002
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        • Dec 2010
        • 18145

        Originally posted by french frank View Post

        “I am not signing something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to repay,” Mr Zelensky had said.'[/URL]

        It did sound a bit like: 'Pay up or Putin wins'; so it's as well that Trump backed down on that demand ... :-/
        A point was made I think on last night's Americast that the US did make significant contributions during WWI and WWII to wars which started in Europe.



        We can argue about how much of a contribution the US made, and whether it was timely - as others have done - but the US did make very major contributions and we should be thankful that it did.

        In WWII until Pearl Harbor the US had not been attacked, so was only indirectly involved in the war up to that time. In WWI the US stayed out - taking a neutral stance until 1917.

        Without supporting Trump's position directly, there is a point that European countries and the UK should contribute more to their own defence, and not rely on NATO to drag the US into yet another war.

        Would the European NATO countries be able to assist the USA if that country were attacked? Possibly, but it might be very difficult.

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        • kernelbogey
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          • Nov 2010
          • 5927

          A piece in the Observer by Simon Tisdall contained a link to this piece in The Hill: Was 40-year old Trump recruited by the KGB?

          I've known of stories of Russian 'Kompromaat' on Trump for some time, but this piece takes it to another level.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30903

            While we're on the subject ... an article in the FT in Dec 2016 - on the Wayback Machine so available to read in full. And by the way, the forum is getting regular failed registrations from Moscow in recent months :
            Pressure on Donald Trump over his ties with Russia has grown after the US formally accused the Russian government of attempting to meddle in November’s presidential election

            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Dave2002
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              • Dec 2010
              • 18145

              A byproduct of the chaos - reported here:

              Under Trump, the US has proved it can't be trusted as an ally or trade partner, argues Stephen Marche, Canadian author of ‘The Next Civil War’. But, his country is feeling strangely confident as it heads into a David and Goliath struggle, united in the conviction it will never be enslaved as the ‘51st state’

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30903

                And while we're on the subject of Canada: Mark Carney to succeed Justin Trudeau - since it's the economy, stupid?
                Justin Trudeau's party was headed for near-certain defeat - until the US president said he wanted to make Canada the 51st state.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Serial_Apologist
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 38284

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  And while we're on the subject of Canada: Mark Carney to succeed Justin Trudeau - since it's the economy, stupid?
                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7eyz3yn5do
                  Losing Mark Carney as Head of the Bank of England was one of the worst disasters Britain has experienced over the past few years. I say that as someone who does not support our economic system (as if you didn't know!) - but at the very least Carney brought some balanced judgement to the job, which certainly cannot be said of the current misery guts in charge there.

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                  • Dave2002
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 18145

                    Yet more on Canada ...



                    Now wants 50% tariffs on steel and aluminium.

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                    • french frank
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                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30903

                      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                      Yet more on Canada ...Now wants 50% tariffs on steel and aluminium.
                      “The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear,” says He. And which national boundaries were not 'artificially drawn - the majority of them many years ago. Be afraid, be very afraid! The Man also says he intends to buy a Tesla as sales have slumped.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 38284

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post

                        “The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear,” says He. And which national boundaries were not 'artificially drawn - the majority of them many years ago. Be afraid, be very afraid! The Man also says he intends to buy a Tesla as sales have slumped.
                        Carney made a lot of Canada's not being America. Not so sure about that - US culture is pretty deeply embedded in Canadian, says my long lasting Canadian ex-pat Hungarian friend married to an American (likewise ex-pat Hungarian). Certainly more deeply than in Britain's.

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                        • vinteuil
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 13264

                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

                          Carney made a lot of Canada's not being America. Not so sure about that - US culture is pretty deeply embedded in Canadian
                          ... ah, der Narzissmus der kleinen Differenzen



                          But following that, some will argue that Ukraine isn't that different from Russia...


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                          • eighthobstruction
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 6559

                            25 mins of Lawrence Freedman on Times Radio today.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKltk33Yf8
                            bong ching

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30903

                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              Carney made a lot of Canada's not being America. Not so sure about that - US culture is pretty deeply embedded in Canadian, says my long lasting Canadian ex-pat Hungarian friend married to an American (likewise ex-pat Hungarian). Certainly more deeply than in Britain's.
                              'Not being America'? Well, it is part of North America but that doesn't make it part of the United States of America. My brother's wife was Canadian and he's in touch with many of the Canadian members of the family. Anecdotes are anecdotes, but the view we hear is that the answer to Trump's 'many people want to join with the US' is "Well, we don't know one." Then there's today's Greenland election where the last thing they want is to exchange their break with Denmark for union with the US.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • eighthobstruction
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 6559

                                Trump restarts Ukraine intelligence sharing and military assistance........... on/off...

                                bong ching

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