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  • Bella Kemp
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    • Aug 2014
    • 495

    Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
    With Trump now at the helm, I would like to make a proposal for resolving foreign tensions. I would like to see a deal with Putin whereby the atrocities against Ukraine and full independence including EU membership to be granted in exchange for the return of Alaska to Russia . At the same time, I think it is acceptable for the US to take possession of Greenland in the proviso that there is no mineral.extraction or military motives. In return, I would like to see Hawaii ceded to China. That should balance things up a bit.
    And frankly Calais should be returned to the British, the French should get Louisiana back - but don't mention Alsace Lorraine

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    • Bella Kemp
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      • Aug 2014
      • 495

      But seriously there will have to be some compromise. Crimea, for example.

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
        • 38069

        Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
        With Trump now at the helm, I would like to make a proposal for resolving foreign tensions. I would like to see a deal with Putin whereby the atrocities against Ukraine and full independence including EU membership to be granted in exchange for the return of Alaska to Russia . At the same time, I think it is acceptable for the US to take possession of Greenland in the proviso that there is no mineral.extraction or military motives. In return, I would like to see Hawaii ceded to China. That should balance things up a bit.
        Indeed - hawaii not??

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        • vinteuil
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          • Nov 2010
          • 13115

          Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post

          And frankly Calais should be returned to the British, the French should get Louisiana back - but don't mention Alsace Lorraine
          ... time to re-open the Schleswig-Holstein question, I think.

          As Palmerston put it, "Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business – the Prince Consort, who is dead – a German professor, who has gone mad – and I, who have forgotten all about it... "



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          • Ian Thumwood
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            • Dec 2010
            • 4327

            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

            ... time to re-open the Schleswig-Holstein question, I think.

            As Palmerston put it, "Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business – the Prince Consort, who is dead – a German professor, who has gone mad – and I, who have forgotten all about it... "



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            Palmerston probably had more things to worry about such being prosecuted for raping one of Queen Victoria's servants.

            There is a statue in the middle of Romsey which was about 3 miles from where I grew up. Surprised no one requested that it is taken down.

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 13115

              Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post

              Palmerston probably had more things to worry about...
              I think in his very busy life he had many "things to worry about" -



              Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
              ...being prosecuted for raping one of Queen Victoria's servants.
              Not something I was aware of. Would you like to supply background?

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              • Ian Thumwood
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                • Dec 2010
                • 4327

                Palmerston died aged 81 after being caught with a housemaid who he raped over a billiard table .

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30739

                  Or this version

                  Sir, The claim that “Lord Palmerston, who, by at least one account, died suddenly while in congress with a maid on a billiard table” is ill-founded (“Sex after a heart attack? Just what the doctor
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • richardfinegold
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                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7859

                    Palmerston is best known here for wanting to intervene in the American Civil War on the side of the Confederacy, having been dissuaded after Gettysburg

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                    • HighlandDougie
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3146

                      Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
                      Palmerston died aged 81 after being caught with a housemaid who he raped over a billiard table .
                      A much-repeated canard - "He died in flagrante with a housemaid on a billiard table,” Mr Cameron told The Times CEO Summit yesterday". As in the-now Lord Cameron, that beacon of probity, backed up by the Daily Mail. Hmm. The evidence points to a much duller cause - pneumonia.

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                      • Ian Thumwood
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 4327

                        Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                        Palmerston is best known here for wanting to intervene in the American Civil War on the side of the Confederacy, having been dissuaded after Gettysburg
                        I am not surprised by this given Palmerston was largely more familiar as a belligerent foreign secretary famous for his 'gun boat' policy. I e. Using the Royal Navy to reinforce foreign policy. British support for the confederacy was not widespread but advocated by the cotton mill owners in Lancashire who relied on imports from the southern states.

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