Ukraine

[Bella Kemp]

With Trump now at the helm, I would like to make a proposal for resolving foreign tensions. I would like to see a deal with Putin whereby the atrocities against Ukraine and full independence including EU membership to be granted in exchange for the return of Alaska to Russia . At the same time, I think it is acceptable for the US to take possession of Greenland in the proviso that there is no mineral.extraction or military motives. In return, I would like to see Hawaii ceded to China. That should balance things up a bit.

And frankly Calais should be returned to the British, the French should get Louisiana back - but don't mention Alsace Lorraine

[Bella Kemp]

But seriously there will have to be some compromise. Crimea, for example.

[Serial_Apologist]

With Trump now at the helm, I would like to make a proposal for resolving foreign tensions. I would like to see a deal with Putin whereby the atrocities against Ukraine and full independence including EU membership to be granted in exchange for the return of Alaska to Russia . At the same time, I think it is acceptable for the US to take possession of Greenland in the proviso that there is no mineral.extraction or military motives. In return, I would like to see Hawaii ceded to China. That should balance things up a bit.

Indeed - hawaii not??

[vinteuil]

And frankly Calais should be returned to the British, the French should get Louisiana back - but don't mention Alsace Lorraine

... time to re-open the Schleswig-Holstein question, I think.

As Palmerston put it, "Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business – the Prince Consort, who is dead – a German professor, who has gone mad – and I, who have forgotten all about it... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig%E2%80%93Holstein_question

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[Ian Thumwood]

... time to re-open the Schleswig-Holstein question, I think.

As Palmerston put it, "Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business – the Prince Consort, who is dead – a German professor, who has gone mad – and I, who have forgotten all about it... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig%E2%80%93Holstein_question

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Palmerston probably had more things to worry about such being prosecuted for raping one of Queen Victoria's servants.

There is a statue in the middle of Romsey which was about 3 miles from where I grew up. Surprised no one requested that it is taken down.

[vinteuil]

Palmerston probably had more things to worry about...

I think in his very busy life he had many "things to worry about" -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_John_Temple,_3rd_Viscount_Palmerston

...being prosecuted for raping one of Queen Victoria's servants.

Not something I was aware of. Would you like to supply background?

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[Ian Thumwood]

Palmerston died aged 81 after being caught with a housemaid who he raped over a billiard table .

[french frank]

Or this version

https://www.thetimes.com/article/pocket-this-myth-jl0d7jmj9v0

[richardfinegold]

Palmerston is best known here for wanting to intervene in the American Civil War on the side of the Confederacy, having been dissuaded after Gettysburg

[HighlandDougie]

Palmerston died aged 81 after being caught with a housemaid who he raped over a billiard table .

A much-repeated canard - "He died in flagrante with a housemaid on a billiard table,” Mr Cameron told The Times CEO Summit yesterday". As in the-now Lord Cameron, that beacon of probity, backed up by the Daily Mail. Hmm. The evidence points to a much duller cause - pneumonia.

[Ian Thumwood]

Palmerston is best known here for wanting to intervene in the American Civil War on the side of the Confederacy, having been dissuaded after Gettysburg

I am not surprised by this given Palmerston was largely more familiar as a belligerent foreign secretary famous for his 'gun boat' policy. I e. Using the Royal Navy to reinforce foreign policy. British support for the confederacy was not widespread but advocated by the cotton mill owners in Lancashire who relied on imports from the southern states.

[Ian Thumwood]

Quite shocked by Trump and J D Valence during thud evening' conference with Zelensky.

I am not sure what the resolution is for Ukraine. The best solution is to hit Putin with harder sanctions as Anerican assistance cannot be relied upon in Euope anymore.

I would like to make a wild prediction. Trump thinks this evening will play well with the American public. This evening seems like a train crash in my eyes. The world that is sane will treat Anerica as a pariah, little better than Russia. I cam see aime Republicans moving against Trump after this evening and I feel that Trump will be removed from office somehow before the close of 2025. An absolute disgrace to his office.


Bring back Obama.......

[Ein Heldenleben]

Quite shocked by Trump and J D Valence during thud evening' conference with Zelensky.

I am not sure what the resolution is for Ukraine. The best solution is to hit Putin with harder sanctions as Anerican assistance cannot be relied upon in Euope anymore.

I would like to make a wild prediction. Trump thinks this evening will play well with the American public. This evening seems like a train crash in my eyes. The world that is sane will treat Anerica as a pariah, little better than Russia. I cam see aime Republicans moving against Trump after this evening and I feel that Trump will be removed from office somehow before the close of 2025. An absolute disgrace to his office.


Bring back Obama.......

Sadly I think the majority of Americans will agree with Vance and Trump.

[Frances_iom]

What it does show is that the White House staffers did not see this coming - yes i suspect a certain part of the US public will go along with Trump and his sycophant Vance but many I suspect will feel it plays badly for Trump and his understanding of events - no doubt some will say it's all part of Trump's deal making but it did demonstrate that Trump is both in hock to Putin and extremely badly briefed (tho it appears from many reports that Trump is actually incapable of handling briefings). Trump evaluates everything personally thus Zelensky should have practised kowtowing etc rather than telling the truth to Trump.

[kernelbogey]

Deeply shocking and worrying. 'Performative bullying' as one tv presenter had it.