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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30509

    #91
    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    The point about referenda versus referendums is that the modern use of referendum is at odds with its use in ancient Rome. Thus to use the Latin pluralisation is to further mislead. https://www.etymonline.com/word/referendum

    [COLOR="#0000FF"]I have now received a PM from a currently non-participating member. Referendum is indeed a Latin gerund
    It's a Latin gerund in that it's a gerund in Latin (or maybe a gerundive?). It isn't a gerund (or a gerundive) in English. And the Spectator article is right in saying gerunds don't have a plural form (I like eating, in fact I like all the eatings I can get???).
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • gurnemanz
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7414

      #92
      The definition in the Spectator article clarifies things for me, with "referendum" singular having two meanings, each with a different plural:
      1) a ballot on one issue (plural: referendums - more than one ballot)
      2) a thing to be referred (plural: referenda - more than one thing to be referred)

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20575

        #93
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        It's a Latin gerund in that it's a gerund in Latin (or maybe a gerundive?). It isn't a gerund (or a gerundive) in English. And the Spectator article is right in saying gerunds don't have a plural form (I like eating, in fact I like all the eatings I can get???).
        Yes, indeed. I looked it up before posting. I do sometimes wonder about the complexities of the English language. It's so full of complexities that I wonder how our oversees friends manage to learn it at all, let alone the number of confused native speakers.. Plurals are a case in point. Left's forget fish, sheep, folk/folks. We also have to contend with baby/babies, but it's different with monkeys. Potatoes, but it's different with "to's and fros". And then we come to the ...ums: we have to know whether the word was once a Latin noun; otherwise the plurals of plum, bum & sum would be pla, ba & sa.

        I think I'll stick with Spanish.

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        • Mario
          Full Member
          • Aug 2020
          • 572

          #94
          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          I wonder how our oversees friends manage to learn it at all
          We try really hard!

          Mario

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