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  • Richard Barrett
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    • Jan 2016
    • 6259

    #31
    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    as the saying goes: 'When false Theeves fall out, true men come to their own,' so some good for the majority may come from this. But Cummings as hero or antihero? Just a false Theef, surely?
    Indeed - we've seen the same thing happening in the US with the Cohen-Trump situation where again a former insider sees something to be gained for himself by dishing the dirt on the ex-boss who threw him under the bus. That's what Theeves do, isn't it?

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
      • 22205

      #32
      Bit of a weasel or maybe a jellyfish really isn’t he? All this retrospective regret doesn’t really wash! If he had any backbone or decency he would have fessed up at the time over Barnard Castle or resigned with a bold statement in September when Johnson refused to impose the Lockdown. Instead he went quietly with his cardboard box. If he saw and heard all the things he has now claims, doing nothing at the time shouldn’t have been an option! I think Johnson and his sycophantic cabinet, the toffs in the Tory party and the electorate who put them there have a lot to answer for, then so have a labour party that put their previous leader in place and a no teeth opposition at the last election.

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      • gurnemanz
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        • Nov 2010
        • 7414

        #33
        As a major architect of Brexit, Cummings will remain loathsome to me. Whatever ugly rifts occur in their relationship Johnson will always be in his debt since he was opportunistically able to use Brexit to remove Cameron and become PM. Cummings admitted yesterday he found him "unfit fit job". Thanks for letting us know.

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        • Richard Barrett
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          • Jan 2016
          • 6259

          #34
          Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
          Cummings admitted yesterday he found him "unfit for job". Thanks for letting us know.
          Indeed we all knew that from the start, and so presumably did Cummings.

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          • Frances_iom
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            • Mar 2007
            • 2418

            #35
            Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
            ... Cummings admitted yesterday he found him "unfit fit job". ...
            as pointed out months ago Gove, in probably the only honest and unambiguous statement he has ever made, pointed out during the 'election' that saw May crowned that BJ was unfit to hold the office - remarkable however what a whiff of power does to his opinion.

            As to DC's claims - they have the ring of truth in many - I pointed out that maybe 10-20 thousand care home occupants died as a result of 'saving the NHS' in the 1st lockdown - BJ's delays in imposing the 2nd & 3rd lockdowns probably saw the death of another 50,000 - the delay in not moving India to red status, done purely for political reasons to encourage a trade deal, will I suspect prevent the grand unlocking planned for June

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            • LMcD
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              • Sep 2017
              • 8687

              #36
              Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
              as pointed out months ago Gove, in probably the only honest and unambiguous statement he has ever made, pointed out during the 'election' that saw May crowned that BJ was unfit to hold the office - remarkable however what a whiff of power does to his opinion.

              As to DC's claims - they have the ring of truth in many - I pointed out that maybe 10-20 thousand care home occupants died as a result of 'saving the NHS' in the 1st lockdown - BJ's delays in imposing the 2nd & 3rd lockdowns probably saw the death of another 50,000 - the delay in not moving India to red status, done purely for political reasons to encourage a trade deal, will I suspect prevent the grand unlocking planned for June
              If only one of the major players in this tragedy is lying, that's one too many - but was it ever a good idea to expect better from any of them?

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              • Richard Barrett
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                • Jan 2016
                • 6259

                #37
                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                If only one of the major players in this tragedy is lying, that's one too many - but was it ever a good idea to expect better from any of them?
                Who was ever expecting any better of them? Every explanation of Johnson's continuing popularity focuses on the fact that everyone has known for years that he's a lying opportunist (among many other egregious things) so that someone pointing this out yet again makes no difference, because people think "they're all the same anyway", an idea which has been planted and nurtured in public discourse by exactly those individuals like Johnson who stand to benefit most from it.

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                • french frank
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                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30509

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                  As to DC's claims - they have the ring of truth in many
                  It suits his purpose to tell the truth about some things, obviously.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • muzzer
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                    • Nov 2013
                    • 1194

                    #39
                    Johnson is on the news, commenting while wearing a mask. If we can’t see his lips moving does that mean he’s not lying? ;)

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                    • Richard Barrett
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                      • Jan 2016
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                      If we can’t see his lips moving does that mean he’s not lying? ;)
                      I think we all know the answer there.

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                      • Barbirollians
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11759

                        #41
                        I noted that a retired senior Crown Prosecutor remarked on twitter yesterday that In his experience supergrasses tended to tell the truth !

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                        • gurnemanz
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7414

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                          as pointed out months ago Gove, in probably the only honest and unambiguous statement he has ever made, pointed out during the 'election' that saw May crowned that BJ was unfit to hold the office - remarkable however what a whiff of power does to his opinion.

                          As to DC's claims - they have the ring of truth in many - I pointed out that maybe 10-20 thousand care home occupants died as a result of 'saving the NHS' in the 1st lockdown - BJ's delays in imposing the 2nd & 3rd lockdowns probably saw the death of another 50,000 - the delay in not moving India to red status, done purely for political reasons to encourage a trade deal, will I suspect prevent the grand unlocking planned for June
                          Thanks for correcting my slack typo.

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                          • LMcD
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                            • Sep 2017
                            • 8687

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                            I noted that a retired senior Crown Prosecutor remarked on twitter yesterday that In his experience supergrasses tended to tell the truth !
                            I assume that they're all being economical with the truth to a greater or lesser extent, but haven't got the time to compile a league table.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30509

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              I noted that a retired senior Crown Prosecutor remarked on twitter yesterday that In his experience supergrasses tended to tell the truth !
                              Exactly. The best way to be considered truthful is to tell the truth.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Serial_Apologist
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                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37851

                                #45
                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Exactly. The best way to be considered truthful is to tell the truth.
                                Another question worth asking is, what led Johnson to take Cummings on in the first place? Hardly a positive reflection on the PM's judgement, all you people out there who fawn over his "charisma", even excluding every other judgement of his we are well aware of.

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