Has anyone perceived a single Brexit benefit yet?

[Frances_iom]

One suggestion is for BJ to throw money towards Pfizzer to set up a full manufacturing plant in UK - the future need for vaccine exports will be immense and also having listened to some of the experts on the R4 news there is a significant probability that new vaccines will be needed to tackle the more nasty variants.

[Cockney Sparrow]

I see that there are increasing demands from some in the EU for it to block export of the Pfizer vaccine to non-EU countries, and in particular the UK. I do hope that wiser heads may prevail, as that sort of vaccine protectionism could backfire rather spectacularly.

A key component of the Pfizer vaccine is manufactured in precisely two locations in the world. One is in the US and is supplying Pfizer's US operations. The only other source of this component, and the one supplying all of Pfizer's EU facilities, is in the UK. If the UK were to retaliate and halt exports of this component, production of the Pfizer vaccine would quickly come to a halt. A vaccine trade war would benefit no one, and could see the EU's vaccination programme slow down even further. The EU suing the one vaccine manufacturer that has promised to supply its vaccine at cost would also be a terrible look for them.

This seems to explain Johnson and Gove's certainty that the vaccine programme will be fulfilled - as regards supplies of vaccines. If the superiority in position described here is certain, it would be wise (in the sense of not making enemies of neighbours if you don't have to) to act graciously to the EU and offer to be reasonable in making a small concession whilst pointing out they decided to rely on the Sanoffee vaccine, they decided to take the matter into the Commission to enter into a contract whose terms had already been negotiated with the big/core four states 3 months earlier (per the Peston article). And act graciously by not indulging in open displays of superiority (which on this subject, our politicians haven't, so far - as far as I'm aware.

[Serial_Apologist]

This seems to explain Johnson and Gove's certainty that the vaccine programme will be fulfilled - as regards supplies of vaccines. If the superiority in position described here is certain, it would be wise (in the sense of not making enemies of neighbours if you don't have to) to act graciously to the EU and offer to be reasonable in making a small concession whilst pointing out they decided to rely on the Sanoffee vaccine, they decided to take the matter into the Commission to enter into a contract whose terms had already been negotiated with the big/core four states 3 months earlier (per the Peston article). And act graciously by not indulging in open displays of superiority (which on this subject, our politicians haven't, so far - as far as I'm aware.

[LHC]

This seems to explain Johnson and Gove's certainty that the vaccine programme will be fulfilled - as regards supplies of vaccines. If the superiority in position described here is certain, it would be wise (in the sense of not making enemies of neighbours if you don't have to) to act graciously to the EU and offer to be reasonable in making a small concession whilst pointing out they decided to rely on the Sanoffee vaccine, they decided to take the matter into the Commission to enter into a contract whose terms had already been negotiated with the big/core four states 3 months earlier (per the Peston article). And act graciously by not indulging in open displays of superiority (which on this subject, our politicians haven't, so far - as far as I'm aware.

Indeed, and so far at least the UK govt appears to have been quite careful not to get involved publicly in the spat between the EU and AZ, other than to say that they want to work together with our 'friends' in the EU.

It is quite possible, given the shambles that the EU has made of its vaccine procurement thus far, that the MEPs and others calling for boycotts and export controls are unaware of the potential impact on the Pfizer vaccine, although Pfizer has let it be known that an escalation of that sort risks shutting down its vaccine production.

[LHC]

Yes, of course it does. We have taken back control and will carry out our planned vaccination scheme. As Metro reports:

"In fact, the country’s supply is so vast, that the British government could eventually donate some to other countries, claimed the sources." But not now, friends in Europe.

It might be worth noting that supplies of both the Pfizer and AZ vaccines are very tight, and below what was ordered (both have warned of supply problems in the UK as well as the EU), and this is probably reflected in the reduced vaccination numbers this week. All of this makes the EU’s tantrum look even more unseemly.

[jayne lee wilson]

This seems to explain Johnson and Gove's certainty that the vaccine programme will be fulfilled - as regards supplies of vaccines. If the superiority in position described here is certain, it would be wise (in the sense of not making enemies of neighbours if you don't have to) to act graciously to the EU and offer to be reasonable in making a small concession whilst pointing out they decided to rely on the Sanoffee vaccine, they decided to take the matter into the Commission to enter into a contract whose terms had already been negotiated with the big/core four states 3 months earlier (per the Peston article). And act graciously by not indulging in open displays of superiority (which on this subject, our politicians haven't, so far - as far as I'm aware.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/03/gavin-williamson-britains-a-much-better-country-than-all-of-them

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/04/advice-to-uk-ministers-stop-vaccine-boasting-and-get-public-onboard

[Nick Armstrong]

....and we might say to them "How d'ya like dem apples"

At least we get to keep all those beastly European musicians out ... https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/...688250368?s=21

[french frank]

At least we get to keep all those beastly European musicians out ... https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/...688250368?s=21

Reminds me - didn't I read yesterday about a government scheme to encourage EU citizens with settled status to go home? I saw an advert that made it look as if it was an EU scheme, but it was in fact a UK government scheme. Did I have a bad dream about this?

No, here it is - an 'EU Settlement scheme'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/26/eu-citizens-offered-financial-incentives-to-leave-uk

[Cockney Sparrow]

This seems to explain Johnson and Gove's certainty that the vaccine programme will be fulfilled - as regards supplies of vaccines. If the superiority in position described here is certain, it would be wise (in the sense of not making enemies of neighbours if you don't have to) to act graciously to the EU and offer to be reasonable in making a small concession whilst pointing out they decided to rely on the Sanoffee vaccine, they decided to take the matter into the Commission to enter into a contract whose terms had already been negotiated with the big/core four states 3 months earlier (per the Peston article). And act graciously by not indulging in open displays of superiority (which on this subject, our politicians haven't, so far - as far as I'm aware.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...an-all-of-them

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...public-onboard

To clarify, my comments weren't about the result of trials and authorisation of the Astra Zenica vaccine in December (seems a good while ago now.....)..

The context of my comments were about the intended subvention of UK manufactured vaccines by EU diktat and the threat of witholding the Pfizer vaccine delivery by throwing their weight about including the use of megaphone address to mollify their EU populations who are wondering why vaccine delivery is so slow.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Reminds me - didn't I read yesterday about a government scheme to encourage EU citizens with settled status to go home? I saw an advert that made it look as if it was an EU scheme, but it was in fact a UK government scheme. Did I have a bad dream about this?

No, here it is - an 'EU Settlement scheme'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-to-leave-uk

Evidently an attempt to do ethnic cleansing politely.

[teamsaint]

To clarify, my comments weren't about the result of trials and authorisation of the Astra Zenica vaccine in December (seems a good while ago now.....)..

The context of my comments were about the intended subvention of UK manufactured vaccines by EU diktat and the threat of witholding the Pfizer vaccine delivery by throwing their weight about including the use of megaphone address to mollify their EU populations who are wondering why vaccine delivery is so slow.

I’m sure that I read somewhere that one component of the Pfizer vaccine is manufactured only in the US and the UK.( sorry, I can’t find the article at the moment) If that is the case , it really demonstrates neatly the folly of anybody playing at vaccine nationalism. Let us hope that all politicians are well briefed on such things, though it doesn’t much look like it at the moment.

[LHC]

I’m sure that I read somewhere that one component of the Pfizer vaccine is manufactured only in the US and the UK.( sorry, I can’t find it at the moment) If that is the case , it really demonstrates neatly the folly of anybody playing at vaccine nationalism. Let us hope that all politicians are well briefed on such things.

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[teamsaint]

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Sorry. I was confusing your post with an article I read today.

All during a days work.......

As you were...........

( as a matter of interest, where did you find that info ?)

[french frank]

Evidently an attempt to do ethnic cleansing politely.

Yes, it's quite benevolent, really. Not, "Foreigners, GO HOME" more, "Hey, foreigner! Wanna go back home? Gotta great offer for you here …"

[LHC]

Sorry. I was confusing your post with an article I read today.

All during a days work.......

As you were...........

( as a matter of interest, where did you find that info ?)

It was stated on another forum by someone who works in the Biotech industry. His previous posts have always been accurate, and it was presented as a simple matter of fact, so I have no reason to doubt it. He also stated that the component is manufactured in Yorkshire, so I assume he has reasonably detailed knowledge in this area.

I saw the statement from a Pfizer representative that their supply chains were complex, and that the introduction of export controls would be problematic for them and could lead to the shut down of vaccine production, in a news report (possibly from one of the European news agencies), but I can't remember which one.