Has anyone perceived a single Brexit benefit yet?

[teamsaint]

Oh I see.... not long ago it was a Chinese problem, according to a certain ex-president.
More Trumpian Fake News won't help anyone... your reading of the figures/statisitics is hugely and ideologically-Brexiter-biased.... but this thread is becoming impossible to usefully contribute to...

Subjective and local yes - but those Sainsburys shelves were emptier than ever today.... staff confirmed supplies are running low, deliveries to the store much slower, (it is NOT stockpiling)......oh, I wonder why...

I’m assuming that Bert is saying that it is a European problem,( including UK) not an EU one. Which is pretty well correct looking at the figures.

It is going to take a huge expert effort to untangle causes and effects of the toll of disease and death during pandemic, not least the collateral health damage. Not a cat in hell’s chance of unravelling it all at this point, though doubtless some useful preliminary conclusions can be teased out.
Just attacking our dreadful government whatever they do, as happens in some places simply serves to undermine the really significant criticisms.
For example, cronyism is a key area to focus on , but all of a sudden it is out of the news, while some people find ways to attack the vaccination programme, one of the very few things that they seem to have done with some degree of competence.

[eighthobstruction]

I’m assuming that Bert is saying that it is a European problem,( including UK) not an EU one. Which is pretty well correct looking at the figures.

It is going to take a huge expert effort to untangle causes and effects of the toll of disease and death during pandemic, not least the collateral health damage. Not a cat in hell’s chance of unravelling it all at this point, though doubtless some useful preliminary conclusions can be teased out.
Just attacking our dreadful government whatever they do, as happens in some places simply serves to undermine the really significant criticisms.
For example, cronyism is a key area to focus on , but all of a sudden it is out of the news, while some people find ways to attack the vaccination programme, one of the very few things that they seem to have done with some degree of competence.

[Bert]

I’m assuming that Bert is saying that it is a European problem,( including UK) not an EU one. Which is pretty well correct looking at the figures.

Indeed. Lots of people do confuse the EU and Europe. I don't.

It is going to take a huge expert effort to untangle causes and effects of the toll of disease and death during pandemic, not least the collateral health damage. Not a cat in hell’s chance of unravelling it all at this point, though doubtless some useful preliminary conclusions can be teased out.
Just attacking our dreadful government whatever they do, as happens in some places simply serves to undermine the really significant criticisms.
For example, cronyism is a key area to focus on , but all of a sudden it is out of the news, while some people find ways to attack the vaccination programme, one of the very few things that they seem to have done with some degree of competence.

Yes, but some people will not let that interfere with them believing the reason is Boris, Brexit, the Chinese and so on ......

[Bert]

And a problem, I suspect, is that the media, if they understand the data, report it in ways that easily lead to misinterpretation. NYT today: "Per capita, Britain’s death rate has been the worst in the world over the last week." (My bold)

I have an annual subscription to NYT and I would say that on any day they can't be relied on for this sort of thing. I get my true facts from elsewhere where they often correspond with reality.

[Bert]

your reading of the figures/statisitics is hugely and ideologically-Brexiter-biased.... but this thread is becoming impossible to usefully contribute to...

Priceless!!!

[french frank]

I have an annual subscription to NYT and I would say that on any day they can't be relied on for this sort of thing. I get my true facts from elsewhere where they often correspond with reality.

Yes, I have an annual subscription too, now £8 per month, as I have also to the more left-wing Monde diplomatique, and until recently to Dissent; also to the Guardian. My point was to say that the mainstream press (or Lamestream as the Blessed Donald would have it) reports on the major news issues without always providing the necessary background/context/detail for the general public; principally because the general public doesn't want that.

The New York Times is, to my mind, better than many. Since I get the UK edition it focuses particularly on UK news e.g. for today: "Brexit aftermath: As the world shifts to electric cars, Britain’s automobile industry risks a slow decline because the country lacks a strong domestic battery industry." Just to steer back on to the topic …

[oddoneout]

Oh I see.... not long ago it was a Chinese problem, according to a certain ex-president.
More Trumpian Fake News won't help anyone... your reading of the figures/statisitics is hugely and ideologically-Brexiter-biased.... but this thread is becoming impossible to usefully contribute to...

Subjective and local yes - but those Sainsburys shelves were emptier than ever today.... staff confirmed supplies are running low, deliveries to the store much slower, (it is NOT stockpiling)......oh, I wonder why...

Yes it has rather morphed into Corona virus part 2.
I have noticed that my local Morrisons has had rather a gappy fish display of late, and some of the greengrocery has been a bit erratic. So far the gluten free long life bread I use has still been in stock, despite being German. One thing in its favour I suspect is that being longlife it isn't so much of a liability if deliveries are delayed. I don't know about other items in store as the only other thing I buy regularly in there is milk and that is British.
A friend was wanting more of a particular type of wool and was unable to source it online as it comes from Germany and everywhere was out of stock. Fortunately the independent wool and fabric shop in town,where she got the original, has found enough in stock for her purposes and it can be picked up through their collection service. Although they have been ticking over with people ordering items, there is now a question mark over getting more stock of the German and other yarns they sell, and some of the haberdashery items.

[Anastasius]

..... So far the gluten free long life bread I use has still been in stock, despite being German......

If you're buying this because you are coeliac then be aware that sometimes they stuff either guar gum or xanthan gum in as a preservative/make it have the right consistency. Some coeliacs are sensitive to either or both. Ditto 'wheat dextrose'. Ignore what Coeliac Uk say...they are wrong. As they are on the two gums. Wheat dextrose and whether or not a coeliac will be allergic...ie some gluten still there...will depend on the manufacturing process.

Back on topic, I posed the topic question on another forum with a rabid Brexiteer. Usual BS. Apparently we're no longer 'paying £10BN a year' and since the start of the year we've already saved £500 million.'. I asked him if he'd ever heard of Article 50.

[oddoneout]

If you're buying this because you are coeliac then be aware that sometimes they stuff either guar gum or xanthan gum in as a preservative/make it have the right consistency. Some coeliacs are sensitive to either or both. Ditto 'wheat dextrose'. Ignore what Coeliac Uk say...they are wrong. As they are on the two gums. Wheat dextrose and whether or not a coeliac will be allergic...ie some gluten still there...will depend on the manufacturing process.

Back on topic, I posed the topic question on another forum with a rabid Brexiteer. Usual BS. Apparently we're no longer 'paying £10BN a year' and since the start of the year we've already saved £500 million.'. I asked him if he'd ever heard of Article 50.

Yes we've discussed this before, and I've learnt the hard way that xanthan gum does not agree with me, neither do several of the commonly used preservatives that appear in most gf bread. I'm wheat intolerant, although rye and barley now cause problems as well if I'm not careful, possibly because gut problems in general have got worse as have my allergies. Label reading became a way of life when my children were babies as they were both dairy intolerant - at least it's easier now than decades ago!

[ardcarp]

but this thread is becoming impossible to usefully contribute to...

Unless, that is, relating to the thread-title, you have perceived a single, tangible (Ive used the word again) benefit from our leaving the EU.

[eighthobstruction]

Unless, that is, relating to the thread-title, you have perceived a single, tangible (Ive used the word again) benefit from our leaving the EU.

[Bert]

Unless, that is, relating to the thread-title, you have perceived a single, tangible (Ive used the word again) benefit from our leaving the EU.

You can't get more tangible than someone shoving a needle in yer arm! The most important benefit on the planet right now, and you did ask (golden rule, don't ask a question if you think you might get an answer you don't like).

[Bert]

Yes, I have an annual subscription too, now £8 per month, as I have also to the more left-wing Monde diplomatique, and until recently to Dissent; also to the Guardian. My point was to say that the mainstream press (or Lamestream as the Blessed Donald would have it) reports on the major news issues without always providing the necessary background/context/detail for the general public; principally because the general public doesn't want that.

The New York Times is, to my mind, better than many. Since I get the UK edition it focuses particularly on UK news e.g. for today: "Brexit aftermath: As the world shifts to electric cars, Britain’s automobile industry risks a slow decline because the country lacks a strong domestic battery industry." Just to steer back on to the topic …

I get the US edition. I find their coverage of the US, Britain and the bits of Europe they understand a little too obviously ideological, but I find the coverage of the Middle East, Asia, Turkey and North Africa quite balanced (with, as you say, helpful informative background/context). It's the latter that caused me to subscribe in the first place.

[Anastasius]

Yes we've discussed this before, and I've learnt the hard way that xanthan gum does not agree with me, neither do several of the commonly used preservatives that appear in most gf bread. I'm wheat intolerant, although rye and barley now cause problems as well if I'm not careful, possibly because gut problems in general have got worse as have my allergies. Label reading became a way of life when my children were babies as they were both dairy intolerant - at least it's easier now than decades ago!

Possibly.. But one could look at it from a positive PoV because what's really happening (I think) is that one becomes de-sensitised to a degree to whatever is causing the allergic response. As ones diet is improved and the 'bad' stuff identified and cut out, then the body's sensitivity increases. But sometimes the 'bad' stuff is of such small quantity that it doesn't have to be listed. So now, anything new is given a 'taste' test...my wife will take the tiniest of morsels. Within ten minutes, if she's going to get a reaction then she will. Usually stomach cramps.

None of this is attributable as a Brexit benefit.

[oddoneout]

Possibly.. But one could look at it from a positive PoV because what's really happening (I think) is that one becomes de-sensitised to a degree to whatever is causing the allergic response. As ones diet is improved and the 'bad' stuff identified and cut out, then the body's sensitivity increases. But sometimes the 'bad' stuff is of such small quantity that it doesn't have to be listed. So now, anything new is given a 'taste' test...my wife will take the tiniest of morsels. Within ten minutes, if she's going to get a reaction then she will. Usually stomach cramps.

None of this is attributable as a Brexit benefit.

Alterations to food labelling requirements will be a benefit to business in many cases I imagine, as currently everything has to be listed, with very few exceptions. This https://www.gov.uk/guidance/food-sta...nd-composition mentions various post Brexit amendments which wouldn't have negatively affected the consumer, although extra work for the businesses concerned, but I wonder how many will now go ahead, given that ministers have made it pretty clear that they aren't interested in food standards or their impact on consumers.