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  • muzzer
    Full Member
    • Nov 2013
    • 1193

    #31
    Farage is a barnacle and will be back as soon as he gets the chance.

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    • jayne lee wilson
      Banned
      • Jul 2011
      • 10711

      #32
      Rawnsley at his most magisterial - and most devastating......



      Keenest political eye out there....

      One notes too, the UK's continued refusal to grant the EU Ambassador full diplomatic status... out of sheer Little-Englander spite presumably.
      One wonders how many Brexiters voted for that.......even the Tory Baroness Hooper called it "gratuitously offensive..."....

      God Knows where we're heading now....

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      • Frances_iom
        Full Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 2415

        #33
        but this was pointed out time + time again - but as many have pointed out he is not on top of any brief and spouts nonsense at times to deflect criticism as well as the public-school bullyboy technique instilled by Eton

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        • oddoneout
          Full Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 9271

          #34
          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
          Rawnsley at his most magisterial - and most devastating......



          Keenest political eye out there....

          One notes too, the UK's continued refusal to grant the EU Ambassador full diplomatic status... out of sheer Little-Englander spite presumably.
          One wonders how many Brexiters voted for that...
          But presumably they would approve of the current petty minded stance? Anyone would think this country doesn't want to trade with the EU...

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30455

            #35
            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
            One notes too, the UK's continued refusal to grant the EU Ambassador full diplomatic status... out of sheer Little-Englander spite presumably.

            But typical of the way the UK always interpreted EU rules**: The EU is not a sovereign state.

            ** Remember how the Department for Trade argued that the EU rules on the use of lead did apply to organ pipes when the EU commission said they didn't.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              #36
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              But typical of the way the UK always interpreted EU rules**: The EU is not a sovereign state.

              ** Remember how the Department for Trade argued that the EU rules on the use of lead did apply to organ pipes when the EU commission said they didn't.
              But everything changed on 1/1/21.....

              We no longer have voice or influence within the EU so - cruel irony of supposed Independence and Sovereignty - we have to be nicer to them now if we want to get anything out of them....but this government - as pure an example of Elective Dictatorship as you'll ever see - won't want to do that, causing all of us endless troubles for the sake of their own terribly flawed and dated, in fact mythological, nationalistic political philosophy.

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              • gradus
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5622

                #37
                No but I don't remember an age of bounty when we entered either.

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                • oddoneout
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9271

                  #38
                  And of course this administration doesn't even need the help of Brexit(or Covid) to wreck business. https://www.theguardian.com/environm...and-job-losses
                  Several firms not paid for the work they have already done so now struggling financially. A spokesperson quote at the end of the article says 17,000 grant vouchers have been issued; to put that in context the scheme was supposed to have benefited 600, 000 households(ie 600,000 vouchers) by the end of March this year. It has been extended to 2022, but given the number of contractors now deciding to(or have already) quit the scheme, or not signing up in the first place due to the admin load and costs of doing so, that may not make all that much difference.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30455

                    #39
                    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                    But everything changed on 1/1/21.....
                    Not quite everything, sadly
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30455

                      #40
                      Originally posted by gradus View Post
                      No but I don't remember an age of bounty when we entered either.
                      Just in case people have forgotten about the EU's WEEE (Waste electrical and electronic equipment) Directive and the disposal of hazardous waste: there was disquiet on this very forum about how this would apply to the use of lead pipes for historic organs, since the Department for Trade considered the directive would apply and would prevent replacing such pipes. I wrote to my MEP to see if he could do something to prevent this, and after checking with the EU Commission he said no, the directives were not intended to cover such things as organ pipes. The Dept of Trade objected and said it certainly did, which gave the impression that they intended to enforce it whether the EU demanded it or not.

                      I felt it was the same sort of tunnel vision which dictated that the EU was 'not a sovereign state' and therefore it is impossible to allow them a full Ambassador and the EU's UK Ambassador has been therefore stripped of full diplomatic status. As far as I can see, we had previously had a UK Ambassador to the EU (erroneously, I presume as the EU didn't suddenly stop 'not being a sovereign state' when we left). Pettiness and jobsworth bureaucracy by our current masters. Here endeth.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12936

                        #41
                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        I felt it was the same sort of tunnel vision which dictated that the EU was 'not a sovereign state' and therefore it is impossible to allow them a full Ambassador and the EU's UK Ambassador has been therefore stripped of full diplomatic status. As far as I can see, we had previously had a UK Ambassador to the EU (erroneously, I presume as the EU didn't suddenly stop 'not being a sovereign state' when we left). Pettiness and jobsworth bureaucracy by our current masters. Here endeth.
                        ,,. has London told Lindsay Redvers Mark Croisdale-Appleby CMG he is no longer our ambassador?



                        (Actually the FCO press release is carefully worded and refers to him as Head of the UK Mission to the European Union : it may be that wiki is a bit sloppy here... )

                        Mr Lindsay Croisdale-Appleby CMG has been appointed Head of the United Kingdom Mission to the European Union in succession to Sir Tim Barrow GCMG LVO MBE.


                        But then the press release for his predecessor refers to Sir Timothy Earle Barrow GCMG LVO MBE as having been our ambassador to the EU - so some sloppiness on the FCO's part -

                        Sir Tim Barrow was appointed as the National Security Adviser in September 2022. Prior to this, Tim was the Second Permanent Under-Secretary and Political Director at the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO). Tim joined the Foreign & Commonwealth Office in 1986 working in the Western European Department. His first overseas posting was in 1989 as part of the British Days Exhibition, followed by Second Secretary in Moscow. Sir Tim is also the UK Sherpa for the G7 and the G20 His previous roles were: Head of Russia Section Private Secretary to Minister of State First Secretary, UKREP Brussels Private Secretary to the Foreign Secretary Head of Common Foreign and Security Department Assistant Director, EU External Deputy Political Director Her Majesty’s Ambassador in Kyiv Representative to the Political and Security Committee of the European Union and Ambassador to the Western - - European Union, UKREP Brussels Her Majesty’s Ambassador in Moscow Political Director UK Ambassador to the European Union, and before that the UK’s Permanent Representative to the EU in Brussels



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                        Last edited by vinteuil; 26-01-21, 15:40.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30455

                          #42
                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          ,,. has London told Lindsay Redvers Mark Croisdale-Appleby CMG he is no longer our ambassador?



                          (Actually the FCO press release is carefully worded and refers to him as Head of the UK Mission to the European Union : it may be that wiki is a bit sloppy here... )

                          Mr Lindsay Croisdale-Appleby CMG has been appointed Head of the United Kingdom Mission to the European Union in succession to Sir Tim Barrow GCMG LVO MBE.



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                          Well, he is now technically our 'Head of Mission', whatever title they give him. Unless, of course, we expect the EU to give him full diplomatic status (in spite of not being a sovereign state).

                          Oh, yes, you said that. I didn't read it or you added it
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • oddoneout
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 9271

                            #43
                            Not to us but...

                            From which this is worth noting
                            While around half are British companies, the other half are from places such as the US and Asia, who want a foothold in the EU, and have decided against locating in the UK following its departure from the bloc.

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                            • ardcarp
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11102

                              #44
                              ....it would seem that better supply of the Astra Zeneca vaccine to the UK has been helped by being out of the EU, ( in the sense that the EU contract has been heavily cut) but who knows how that will play out medium term? Not the sort of thing to point score over.
                              And Pfeizer.

                              But trouble is on the way, I fear.

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                              • teamsaint
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 25225

                                #45
                                Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                                And Pfeizer.

                                But trouble is on the way, I fear.

                                https://news.sky.com/story/uk-access...ports-12198979
                                Robert Peston has interesting things to say on this.

                                This episode will be an object lesson for future journalism on even handed ,( or otherwise,) reporting,where the full story ,rather than edited highlights, is important.
                                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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