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  • oddoneout
    Full Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 9271

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    Good move, HH

    Don't quite understand this: "The government has said that making exemptions for musicians would go against its mandate to end freedom of movement, and said the door is open if the EU wishes to renegotiate."

    So … no freedom of movement for EU musicians to come here, but the EU can reconsider its requirements allowing UK musicians to tour in the EU? Is that their position? Ball in EU's court?
    Continued hole digging as a consequence of complete ignorance of the matter. Insofar as anyone bothered to consider the effects on music, and other performing arts, I imagine it was dismissed as a minor issue, no real financial impact, and not affecting anyone important(Tory crony/ donor) Even now when the figures(£5.6 billion or thereabouts 2019) are in the public domain I doubt they'll have much impact on the administration currently in power if changing tack means admitting that they made a large and wholly unnecessary mistake. Much better to continue with the standard "all the EU's fault".

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    • Pulcinella
      Host
      • Feb 2014
      • 11062

      Thumbs down to the Turing Erasmus replacement from Wales: they are setting up their own scheme.

      Exchange scheme will ‘fill the gaps’ left by Boris Johnson’s Turing programme, which ‘lacks key benefits’

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30455

        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
        Thumbs down to the Turing Erasmus replacement from Wales: they are setting up their own scheme.

        https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...smus-programme
        Interesting that Scotland's approach was to see if they could rejoin Erasmus and they were told No. Perhaps they'll try something like the Welsh scheme (with NI students still able to benefit from Erasmus anyway). That would fill a gap for all UK students … oh, except …
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • cloughie
          Full Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 22182

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Interesting that Scotland's approach was to see if they could rejoin Erasmus and they were told No. Perhaps they'll try something like the Welsh scheme (with NI students still able to benefit from Erasmus anyway). That would fill a gap for all UK students … oh, except …
          the little Englanders?

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          • Frances_iom
            Full Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 2415

            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
            the little Englanders?
            it's worth listening to the serious charge by Sir Paul Nurse (Crick institute) concerning the large cuts in support for science that have taken place and will continue thanks to Brexit and the current rightwing Torys now in charge - R4 about 13.20 today. As he points out it was academic research that allowed the rapid development of the vaccine - as pointed out by many the UK was a major beneficiary of EU sponsored research

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            • oddoneout
              Full Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 9271

              Why would you even bother...
              Producers in Great Britain could once sell meat to EU customers as easily as they could at home. Since Brexit, exporters face a process of up to 26 steps, with every shipment logged in multiple databases and certified by reams of red tape. Here are all the hoops exporters must jump through

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22182

                1 Exactly what was in the trade deal that Frost negotiated that was so suitable that Boris signed up to?
                2 Has the EU imposed sanctions on the UK without officially telling us?
                3 Are we so desparate to import goods that we haven’t reciprocated with stringent customs checks.

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                • johnb
                  Full Member
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 2903

                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  1 Exactly what was in the trade deal that Frost negotiated that was so suitable that Boris signed up to?
                  2 Has the EU imposed sanctions on the UK without officially telling us?
                  3 Are we so desparate to import goods that we haven’t reciprocated with stringent customs checks.
                  1. This is the trade deal. This is what a hard Brexit looks like. It was a deliberate choice by Johnson to ditch the Teresa May deal, which would have ameliorated much of this.

                  2. No.

                  3. Probably because we have neither the infrastructure nor the trained personnel to do so.

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                  • oddoneout
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 9271

                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    3 Are we so desparate to import goods that we haven’t reciprocated with stringent customs checks.
                    April 1st was set to be memorable, but has been postponed...

                    In that article I see that Gove in effect blames business for the delays which have been caused by government's lack of preparation.

                    Covid-19 has caused difficulties, but is not the sole hold-up.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37813

                      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                      In that article I see that Gove in effect blames business for the delays which have been caused by government's lack of preparation.
                      Well Johnson has said "f*** business" so Gove is only taking his lead from the ceo. Also Johnson has attributed Britain's successful rolling out of the vaccine to capitalism and greed, though apparently that was meant as a joke.

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                      • jayne lee wilson
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 10711

                        Excellent analysis from Rafael Behr, as ever....

                        On the Covid vaccine, compromise is possible. But relations are on a downward spiral and the damage will be lasting, says Guardian columnist Rafael Behr

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                        • oddoneout
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 9271

                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          Well Johnson has said "f*** business" so Gove is only taking his lead from the ceo. Also Johnson has attributed Britain's successful rolling out of the vaccine to capitalism and greed, though apparently that was meant as a joke.
                          Well since the government is claiming the vaccine success story as its doing, his greed and capitalism 'joke' probably isn't so far off the mark... Not accurate but I imagine by now the collective owning of the success has become fact in what passes for their minds.

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                          • Frances_iom
                            Full Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 2415

                            welcome to the 4th Reich - it will I think soon be the case that a total trade blockade with the EU will be on the cards before European manufactured red tape kills most trade - the Guardian article gets it in one - there will be no rational discussion with Brussels for many years to come and we will need to totally alter our trading situation.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30455

                              Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                              welcome to the 4th Reich
                              That appears to put the entire blame for the trade situation the UK finds itself in on the EU? We had everything our economy/trade needed for prosperity, but frankly, we didn't like all this 'cooperation' business - we wanted to go our own way and had the hubris to believe we could. We didn't take into account that, out of the EU, our situation would never be identical to any other third country's (especially not Canada's!). But I suppose that, now we're free, nationalism will be on the rise again. Us and them. Who'd have thought it?
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22182

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                That appears to put the entire blame for the trade situation the UK finds itself in on the EU? We had everything our economy/trade needed for prosperity, but frankly, we didn't like all this 'cooperation' business - we wanted to go our own way and had the hubris to believe we could. We didn't take into account that, out of the EU, our situation would never be identical to any other third country's (especially not Canada's!). But I suppose that, now we're free, nationalism will be on the rise again. Us and them. Who'd have thought it?
                                We hear that ‘busiest minister’ Liz Truss has secured 70 deals with countries across the globe. Do we know if any of these are really ‘new’ and give us advantages we didn’t have in the EU or were they just to make sure we retained what we had in the EU. The governments stance on the teething troubles appear to to have developed into very serious dental problems. Agriculture and fishing seem to have been hit particularly hard, with no signs of getting better any time soon.

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