Decarbonising the world - Hydrogen

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  • Dave2002
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 18034

    Decarbonising the world - Hydrogen

    This article gives a very good overview of the advantages and disadvantages of using hydrogen as a fuel - in a maritime context - https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...onise-shipping

    Well worth reading. There are big problems with trying to reduce CO2 and other emissions from the atmosphere, and technical solutions may still be very difficult to find or manage. Politicians such as BJ are perhaps jumping on a technology bandwagon with not enough understanding to get a really good outcome.

    We have seen how the public at large will often find ways round the rules with clearly bad side-effects - the latest one being people who buy food in pubs and then immediately throw it away - in order to get round coronavirus restrictions.

    Hydrogen as a fuel could either be a real game changer in the energy market, depending on how it is made, and whether regulations could ensure that it is used effectively. At one extreme it is a good thing, and the other it is definitely not - depending on how it is used. The same goes for other methods of decarbonising the world, including electric vehicles, which are good if the electricity used is produced without burning fossil fuels, but less good otherwise, though overall these do still seem to be better than using petrol or diesel fuel.

    Sometimes a priority shift may make a big difference. In the UK a very significant amount of fossil fuel is burnt for domestic heating, yet improved and enforced building standards could reduce energy wasted. The UK is poor at enforcing building standards for low energy housing.

    From the article, a significant amount of the energy used for shipping is for transporting goods between Asia and the US. There should be several ways of reducing that, including:

    1. reducing demand
    2. relocating manufacturing

    and maybe some more, but it's hard to get some of those principles into play in the world in which we live. Big business and global trade isn't necessarily bad. It is sometimes much more effective and efficient - but also it is sometimes ineffective and inefficient when viewed holistically.
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20572

    #2
    Interesting.
    Fortunately, hydrogen production by electrolysis can be done by wind power without the not-windy-today disadvantage sometimes pointed at this form of energy. As for hydrogen being highly flammable, this is true, but is less so than petroleum, and we've lived with that for quite some time. Hydrogen got a bad press as a result of two airship disasters - the R101 and the Hindenburg, but the need for ultra-lightweight storage of the gas made these devices extremely vulnerable.

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    • Dave2002
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 18034

      #3
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      Interesting.
      Fortunately, hydrogen production by electrolysis can be done by wind power without the not-windy-today disadvantage sometimes pointed at this form of energy. As for hydrogen being highly flammable, this is true, but is less so than petroleum, and we've lived with that for quite some time. Hydrogen got a bad press as a result of two airship disasters - the R101 and the Hindenburg, but the need for ultra-lightweight storage of the gas made these devices extremely vulnerable.
      I was interested in the comment about oxides of nitrogen being produced in some burning reactions. We (non technical - non chemists) probably don't notice this much, but from what I remember nitrogen does not burn - under "normal" circumstances. There are however five oxides of nitrogen, so how these are produced I'm not sure. They can be produced by biological processes, and some of them act as greenhouse gases. I don't know what the levels of nitrogen oxides are in the atmostphere - they may be small - but perhaps significantly small re their effects.

      As noted in the article electroloysis is not the usual way to generate hydrogen. If hydrogen is produced as a by-product of some other "essential" process, then why not use that? However, if a hydrogen producing process is itself polluting, or contributing adversely to the release of greenhouse gases, then it should either be managed carefully or substitute processes found.

      The other "fact" from the article was that ammonia is in some ways a more convenient way to store and use hydrogen, because of its higher energy density per weight or volume, though ammonia isn't a particularly nice substance to "have around".

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      • Dave2002
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 18034

        #4
        Here is another rather interesting article about decarbonising based on strategies using hydrogen - https://www.carbonbrief.org/in-depth...climate-change

        Possibly hydrogen does or will have a role, but there are serious issues about how effective it would be. Wouldn't moving hydrogen as a gas along pipes be rather dangerous? I'm not sure that existing gas pipes, which leak from time to time, would be good enough.

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        • gradus
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 5622

          #5
          Dave thanks for posting the link, a very useful reference source.

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