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  • Anastasius
    Full Member
    • Mar 2015
    • 1860

    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
    ....
    Re domestic vaccine passports, I’m with the Lib Dems .
    I had to go and read what their views were although I could guess given your stance . Here's a snippet...

    Vaccine passports will also give the government unprecedented access to people’s health data, amounting to yet another infringement on civil liberties by this authoritarian Conservative government.

    In a word ....cobblers. The current talk is to have a tab on the NHS App that lists your vaccine status. That's as good as a vaccine passport IMO. So if you or anyone else is worried about Big Brother 'infringing your rights to infect other innocent people....oop...sorry...civil liberties, well...all that data is there already tied up in the NHS systems. I expect that Boris has a special department diving in to see when I had my last Viagra prescription.
    Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
      I had to go and read what their views were although I could guess given your stance . Here's a snippet...

      Vaccine passports will also give the government unprecedented access to people’s health data, amounting to yet another infringement on civil liberties by this authoritarian Conservative government.

      In a word ....cobblers. The current talk is to have a tab on the NHS App that lists your vaccine status. That's as good as a vaccine passport IMO. So if you or anyone else is worried about Big Brother 'infringing your rights to infect other innocent people....oop...sorry...civil liberties, well...all that data is there already tied up in the NHS systems. I expect that Boris has a special department diving in to see when I had my last Viagra prescription.
      To mean to buy your sildenafil without a prescription, eh?

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      • oddoneout
        Full Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 9308

        Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
        I had to go and read what their views were although I could guess given your stance . Here's a snippet...

        Vaccine passports will also give the government unprecedented access to people’s health data, amounting to yet another infringement on civil liberties by this authoritarian Conservative government.

        In a word ....cobblers. The current talk is to have a tab on the NHS App that lists your vaccine status. That's as good as a vaccine passport IMO. So if you or anyone else is worried about Big Brother 'infringing your rights to infect other innocent people....oop...sorry...civil liberties, well...all that data is there already tied up in the NHS systems. I expect that Boris has a special department diving in to see when I had my last Viagra prescription.
        From what I remember of the palaver of opting out of "sharing" my medical records some years ago, the government already has access to such records if it so wishes; all that is needed is for the relevant Minister to declare it is in the national interest or some other suitable excuse. From the way my first jab was organised I know that some sharing at least of my records has occurred between my GP practice and another without me being asked and despite the opt-out request I originally logged which I thought prevented that as well as more major "sharing", presumably because the pandemic situation requires it.
        I don't have the NHS app related way in as my phone can't do such things - even when it's switched on...

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        • Anastasius
          Full Member
          • Mar 2015
          • 1860

          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          To mean to buy your sildenafil without a prescription, eh?
          Of course! I'm an impoverished pensioner.
          Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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          • Anastasius
            Full Member
            • Mar 2015
            • 1860

            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
            From what I remember of the palaver of opting out of "sharing" my medical records some years ago, the government already has access to such records if it so wishes; all that is needed is for the relevant Minister to declare it is in the national interest or some other suitable excuse. From the way my first jab was organised I know that some sharing at least of my records has occurred between my GP practice and another without me being asked and despite the opt-out request I originally logged which I thought prevented that as well as more major "sharing", presumably because the pandemic situation requires it.
            I don't have the NHS app related way in as my phone can't do such things - even when it's switched on...
            I do recall that opt-out choice and at that point in time I got a bit hot and bothered about it all and opted-out. Now? I'm far more sanguine about IMO inconsequential things like that.
            Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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            • oddoneout
              Full Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 9308

              Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
              I do recall that opt-out choice and at that point in time I got a bit hot and bothered about it all and opted-out. Now? I'm far more sanguine about IMO inconsequential things like that.
              Once I was able to access my medical records online(or those bits I was permitted to see) and get some errors corrected I was less bothered. The general vaccination record was a real shocker as it was auto-filled with all the jabs which are now routine regardless of whether they even existed when I was the age at which they are now administered. When I asked for changes to be made I was met by puzzlement and in one case the view that it didn't matter if I hadn't had the jabs the record said. Can't help thinking that that sort of error rather casts doubt on the value of any data extracted from such records.
              The irony was that the one jab I wanted to track down - smallpox - wasn't even shown.

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              • teamsaint
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 25231

                Parkrun seems to be facing an uphill struggle to reopen. This is such a shame, and it seems to have been left to David Davis (!) to try to nudge councils and others into granting permissions.
                A stern message from the PM at his presser tonight would have been helpful.
                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                • vinteuil
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12955

                  .

                  ... good news, I think.

                  If you need to prove your covid vaccination status (for overseas travel or otherwise) it looks as if the nhs has got its act together.

                  Today, the first day it went 'live', Mme v was able to download the nhs covid app on to her smartphone, and - wayhey! - there were details of the two inoculations she had received.

                  I don't have a smartphone - but rang 119. I provided them with my nhs number, and they say a letter confirming my vaccination status should reach me in five days.

                  I am impressed.




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                  Last edited by vinteuil; 17-05-21, 15:24.

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                  • cloughie
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22205

                    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                    Parkrun seems to be facing an uphill struggle to reopen. This is such a shame, and it seems to have been left to David Davis (!) to try to nudge councils and others into granting permissions.
                    A stern message from the PM at his presser tonight would have been helpful.
                    Seems strange - if you have 30 limit and run socially distanced what is the problem - outdoor choir practices can take place and the principle surely is having a breathing space.

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                    • oddoneout
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 9308

                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                      .

                      ... good news, I think.

                      If you need to prove your covid vaccination status (for overseas travel or otherwise) it looks as if the nhs has got its act together.

                      Today, the first day it went 'live', Mme v was able to download the nhs covid app on to her smartphone, and - wayhey! - there were details of the two inoculations she had received.

                      I don't have a smartphone - but rang 119. I provided them with my nhs number, and they say a letter confirming my vaccination status should reach me in five days.

                      I am impressed.




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                      Sounds good vints - and pleased to hear there is an alternative for those of us without smartphones.
                      Pity the Home Office can't do the same for those poor people left in limbo without quick and easy proof of their status.

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                      • Anastasius
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2015
                        • 1860

                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                        .

                        ... good news, I think.

                        If you need to prove your covid vaccination status (for overseas travel or otherwise) it looks as if the nhs has got its act together.

                        Today, the first day it went 'live', Mme v was able to download the nhs covid app on to her smartphone, and - wayhey! - there were details of the two inoculations she had received.

                        I don't have a smartphone - but rang 119. I provided them with my nhs number, and they say a letter confirming my vaccination status should reach me in five days.

                        I am impressed.




                        .
                        You've done better than I have. I have the NHS App but because my second jab was done as part of the COM-Cov2 trial, at the moment NIMS won't let their IT systems communicate with it (NIMS is used by the NHS app) and so the app only shows my first. Trying to speak to someone, I got all the way through a couple of times to get a couple of bars of muzak and the the line went dead.
                        Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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                        • LMcD
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2017
                          • 8690

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          .

                          ... good news, I think.

                          If you need to prove your covid vaccination status (for overseas travel or otherwise) it looks as if the nhs has got its act together.

                          Today, the first day it went 'live', Mme v was able to download the nhs covid app on to her smartphone, and - wayhey! - there were details of the two inoculations she had received.

                          I don't have a smartphone - but rang 119. I provided them with my nhs number, and they say a letter confirming my vaccination status should reach me in five days.

                          I am impressed.




                          .
                          I don't have a smart phone either, so many thanks for pointing me in the right direction as far as proof of vaccinations is concerned.

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                          • LHC
                            Full Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1567

                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            .

                            ... good news, I think.

                            If you need to prove your covid vaccination status (for overseas travel or otherwise) it looks as if the nhs has got its act together.

                            Today, the first day it went 'live', Mme v was able to download the nhs covid app on to her smartphone, and - wayhey! - there were details of the two inoculations she had received.

                            I don't have a smartphone - but rang 119. I provided them with my nhs number, and they say a letter confirming my vaccination status should reach me in five days.

                            I am impressed.




                            .
                            It might be helpful to note that the NHS App and the NHS Covid app are not the same. The NHS Covid19 app is intended for contact tracing only. Vaccination status is provided on the NHS App, not the NHS Covid19 app.
                            "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
                            Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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                            • vinteuil
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12955

                              Originally posted by LHC View Post
                              It might be helpful to note that the NHS App and the NHS Covid app are not the same. The NHS Covid19 app is intended for contact tracing only. Vaccination status is provided on the NHS App, not the NHS Covid19 app.
                              ... ah, thanks for the correction



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                              • Petrushka
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12332

                                Originally posted by LHC View Post
                                It might be helpful to note that the NHS App and the NHS Covid app are not the same. The NHS Covid19 app is intended for contact tracing only. Vaccination status is provided on the NHS App, not the NHS Covid19 app.
                                It can be downloaded here: https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/onli...vices/nhs-app/
                                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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