Coronavirus: social, economic and other changes as a result of the pandemic

[Bryn]

Dave2002, your PM inbox is full. I tried to reply to you but found the letterbox sealed.

[Dave2002]

Dave2002, your PM inbox is full. I tried to reply to you but found the letterbox sealed.

Hi Bryn

I think this has been dealt with now. The PM boxes still seem to fill up faster than I expected!

[Bryn]

Hi Bryn

I think this has been dealt with now. The PM boxes still seem to fill up faster than I expected!

I find the same here.

[oddoneout]

Some interesting thoughts here

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/nov/29/dont-stop-axe-mood-ruining-bar-scrambling-interval-covid-stephen-hough

Not sure how the finances stack up for the larger forces - possibly having more people paying slightly less(one hopes if the concert is shorter!) balances things out.
This is certainly a good opportunity for looking at how things have been done, and how they might be done in the future. Arts venues and practitioners were facing challenges before Covid, so already having to work around and through difficulties, and different ways of working have, of necessity, now been forced to the fore. Inevitably and sadly there will be casualties, but in terms of the public accessing the arts there may be, if not always outright winners, those who don't lose out completely.

[french frank]

Some interesting thoughts here

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/nov/29/dont-stop-axe-mood-ruining-bar-scrambling-interval-covid-stephen-hough

Not sure how the finances stack up for the larger forces - possibly having more people paying slightly less(one hopes if the concert is shorter!) balances things out.
This is certainly a good opportunity for looking at how things have been done, and how they might be done in the future. Arts venues and practitioners were facing challenges before Covid, so already having to work around and through difficulties, and different ways of working have, of necessity, now been forced to the fore. Inevitably and sadly there will be casualties, but in terms of the public accessing the arts there may be, if not always outright winners, those who don't lose out completely.

Just read that very piece. I think he was advocating shorter concerts some while before Covid, so they clearly work for him - and others.

[teamsaint]

Dido Harding putting together “ Integrated data architecture”.

Please somebody tell me that we shouldn’t be really, really worried.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEP3W8mqfn843haGl_5Zsl00qFwgEKg4IACoGCAowzdp7ML-3CTDyxv0F?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen

[oddoneout]

Dido Harding putting together “ Integrated data architecture”.

Please somebody tell me that we shouldn’t be really, really worried.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...B&ceid=GB%3Aen

My first thought was "does she even know what those words mean", let alone any implications of what the phrase might mean.

[Frances_iom]

My first thought was "does she even know what those words mean", let alone any implications of what the phrase might mean.

she doesn't have to - she just has to provide a front to distract from Tory graft as no doubt a Tory friendly supplier will of course be selected

[Cockney Sparrow]

Just read that very piece. I think he was advocating shorter concerts some while before Covid, so they clearly work for him - and others.

I'm not up for travelling into London (25 minutes on main line train - probably 70 minutes door to concert hall) for a short concert. I already pass with hardly any thought about many a Prom program as they are so insubstantial (adding a further 15 minutes to get to West Kensington). If I worked in the city in question it might appeal. Perhaps there will be an audience, in which case I wish the initiative well. Just that it won't be for me - 2-3 hours at the Opera House seems more worthwhile reward for the expense and time in travelling from my point of view.

[teamsaint]

My first thought was "does she even know what those words mean", let alone any implications of what the phrase might mean.

She might not, ( obviously she does of course) but the really appalling implications are impossible to ignore.

Unless we are very lucky and the sheer incompetence of the government saves us,( and I don’t think it will ) we are heading to a potentially very bad place.

We need the media to get to work on this now , because turning back the changes will be close to impossible.

[johnb]

Dido Harding putting together “ Integrated data architecture”.

Please somebody tell me that we shouldn’t be really, really worried.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...B&ceid=GB%3Aen

Presumably this comes under the auspices of Matthew Gould, whom Matt Hancock directed the NHS to appoint as Chief Executive of NHSX - on a "temporary" basis. Needless to say, he is still in post a year later.

He has been a friend of George Osborne since their school days - at St Pauls.

[Cockney Sparrow]

Nadhim Zahawi was interviewed on the World at One (Radio 4 today). He points out that no-one will be forced to take the vaccine. But many a facility (airline, hairdresser....etc etc) may require confirmation before accepting a booking - but that's up to the service provider.

He says the NHS is ready to deliver the vaccine. A fresh voice to consider whether its another hollow promise. With the rebadged ERG MPs on Johnson's back perhaps they will make sure this happens without mishap - as the end product is the re-enabling of the economy.

[teamsaint]

Nadhim Zahawi was interviewed on the World at One (Radio 4 today). He points out that no-one will be forced to take the vaccine. But many a facility (airline, hairdresser....etc etc) may require confirmation before accepting a booking - but that's up to the service provider.

He says the NHS is ready to deliver the vaccine. A fresh voice to consider whether its another hollow promise. With the rebadged ERG MPs on Johnson's back perhaps they will make sure this happens without mishap - as the end product is the re-enabling of the economy.

Once the infrastructure is in place, there will be little chance of going back.Many people will be tempted by the idea of a return to “ normal “ life, and all the good things we have missed, but that normal life will be , at best, on production of a valid pass, a pass that could cover any number of items, and of course in which there a multitude of potential issues.

The danger is that we don’t see the danger until it is too late.

[Anastasius]

.....but that normal life will be , at best, on production of a valid pass,.....

But as CS has explained in the post before yours "...that's up to the service provider".

If we followed your line of reasoning then surely we should get rid of the driving licence, passports, birth certificates, NI number ...any number of things that keep society functional.

[teamsaint]

But as CS has explained in the post before yours "...that's up to the service provider".

If we followed your line of reasoning then surely we should get rid of the driving licence, passports, birth certificates, NI number ...any number of things that keep society functional.

That is the line the governernment are using.
Society can be perfectly functional without the health app, not least since covid could be well under control in 6 months time. But by then , the health app could become all but impossible to live with, unlike, say, a driving license.
The danger is clear,and though I can personally live with it, and I will likely have little real choice,it is something to be strenuously avoided.
I can’t for the life of me see why anybody would welcome this. A question to ask is how would we have reacted to such a plan a year ago ? And a further one is, where will or could this lead, and how will it be used in the hands of those who seek to control us,EG the current cabinet ?