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  • kernelbogey
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 5803

    #76
    I am always staggered by the numbers of personnel in the credits at the end of a tv programme. I naively believe there are savings to be made there. And I have long believed that the news cliche of a reporter broadcasting from outside whatever place a story is related to, as though s/he's just come out from doing his research there, can scarcely be worth the cost of taking reporter and film crew there to make the clip.

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    • Jazzrook
      Full Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 3109

      #77
      The culture secretary’s plan to freeze funding and axe the licence fee is pure political vandalism, says the Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee


      JR

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37814

        #78
        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
        If that is the case, perhaps you would like to show us where, in the latest edition (17/01/22) of Newsnight, which reported in detail upon the PM Crisis and the Culture Secretary's BBC licence fee announcements (apparently under continuous modification), this bias (whether explicit or implicit) is exemplified.....

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...night-17012022
        Wouldn't you agree though that the complexity of issues involved in broadcasting media bias renders inadequate the using of just one episode of a late-night programme to base one's case?

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        • antongould
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8832

          #79
          “The BBC is an amoral, power-serving propaganda monster that uses its (pitifully minimal and incompetent) cultural content as a *protection racket*:
          "Lovely orchestras, aren't they? Would be *terrible* if something happened to them... Now: hand over the £3billion we collect every year from even the poorest households in the country..."”

          Balanced assessment from ff’s friend on his Facebook Grumpy Group ……

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          • oddoneout
            Full Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 9272

            #80
            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
            I am always staggered by the numbers of personnel in the credits at the end of a tv programme. I naively believe there are savings to be made there. And I have long believed that the news cliche of a reporter broadcasting from outside whatever place a story is related to, as though s/he's just come out from doing his research there, can scarcely be worth the cost of taking reporter and film crew there to make the clip.
            The "person on the spot" thing has been the cause of irritation for some time I think, judging from comments I've heard and read, and the effects of covid restrictions (not being able to move staff around/get to other countries) has added weight to those saying much of it is unnecessary and needs to be reconsidered. Seeing what is happening is one thing, having a person standing and wittering is quite another, and the time wasted on the "now let's go to..." rigmarole would be better spent on supplying useful information and/or analysis.

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            • kernelbogey
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 5803

              #81
              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
              The "person on the spot" thing has been the cause of irritation for some time I think, judging from comments I've heard and read, and the effects of covid restrictions (not being able to move staff around/get to other countries) has added weight to those saying much of it is unnecessary and needs to be reconsidered. Seeing what is happening is one thing, having a person standing and wittering is quite another, and the time wasted on the "now let's go to..." rigmarole would be better spent on supplying useful information and/or analysis.
              I rarely watch BBC News, preferrring the Channel Four model. Their 'person on the spot' treatment works better IMV.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30456

                #82
                Interesting: I've just watched a Channel 4 video interview with John Whittingdale - an advocate of licence fee abolition "in the long term" and he said there was no way a subscription model would work for BBC radio. So, what? he didn't say, though given that there is no current separate funding source for radio other than the television licence fee, it would have been good if he'd been pressed on that.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • oddoneout
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9272

                  #83
                  Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                  I rarely watch BBC News, preferrring the Channel Four model. Their 'person on the spot' treatment works better IMV.
                  And C4 is in the firing line as well, not least because of its news programme ...

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                  • gurnemanz
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7405

                    #84
                    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                    I rarely watch BBC News, preferrring the Channel Four model. Their 'person on the spot' treatment works better IMV.
                    I don't usually watch the main scheduled TV News of any channel, going instead for Sky, BBC, CNN or other rolling news sources via satellite Channel 501 onwards.

                    I lived in Germany for five years in the 70s and relied quite a lot on BBC World Service radio and very often still listen to it for a broader perspective and approach, eg Hard Talk interviews. Now pleased to be able to listen to it in the car, since our latest one has DAB.

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      #85
                      Excellent hardhitting analysis of the circumstances around the TV Licence smokescreen, BBC funding itself, (and very government-critical) and especially good on how BBC Radio gets forgotten in the kite-flying about subscription, not to mention freeview....

                      Boris Johnson's supposed fightback strategy and a new BBC licence fee deal.


                      Very wideranging in experiences and views from the journalists etc involved. Lively exchanges!
                      I find myself listening to R4 much more these days.... this and the (often heartbreaking) Any Answers are two of the best things on the network...

                      Glad someone mentioned the World Service.., this has a huge global audience and would be badly missed by many who rely on it...
                      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 19-01-22, 20:23.

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22182

                        #86
                        Why does the BBC feel they need to broadcast the news from Downing Street - I hardly think that Boris is going stick his head out and say ‘ Hi Hugh I’m resigning you should be the first to know!’

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37814

                          #87
                          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                          Why does the BBC feel they need to broadcast the news from Downing Street - I hardly think that Boris is going stick his head out and say ‘ Hi Hugh I’m resigning you should be the first to know!’
                          In order to make the most of being allowed through the gate, while it lasts?

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                          • ardcarp
                            Late member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11102

                            #88
                            Glad someone mentioned the World Service.., this has a huge global audience and would be badly missed by many who rely on it...
                            I don't know for sure about this, but I think the BBC World Service has some independent funding from the government. It's not propaganda as such, but is a medium for putting across British views on world matters, amongst other things.

                            I found this: https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2021...ervice-funding

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22182

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              In order to make the most of being allowed through the gate, while it lasts?
                              Are they in need of a Keir holder?

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                              • Andrew Slater
                                Full Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 1797

                                #90
                                Apparently The Briefing Room, on Radio 4 at 8pm tonight will be dealing with BBC funding.

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