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  • Flay
    Full Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 5795

    Very?

    "The Very Reverend." Apparently it indicates a degree of seniority and responsibility.

    But where did very come from?

    Veritas? Verified?

    I must get out more...
    Pacta sunt servanda !!!
  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    #2
    It's slightly less than 'Most' as in....



    I think Most High is possibly reserved for the deity him/herself.

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    • Flay
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      • Mar 2007
      • 5795

      #3
      Is "very" used in any other titular setting?
      Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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      • cloughie
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        • Dec 2011
        • 22182

        #4
        Originally posted by Flay View Post
        Is "very" used in any other titular setting?
        Only perhaps by Ray Noble in 1934!

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        • Pulcinella
          Host
          • Feb 2014
          • 11062

          #5
          Here in York we have the situation where the Dean (normally a Very Reverend) was already a bishop (albeit a suffragan rather than diocesan one) when he was appointed, and hence a Right Reverend, which he has continued to be.
          How likely is that?
          Not very!

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          • Pulcinella
            Host
            • Feb 2014
            • 11062

            #6
            Originally posted by Flay View Post
            Is "very" used in any other titular setting?
            You can have a Very light, I suppose.

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            • Count Boso

              #7
              Originally posted by Flay View Post
              "The Very Reverend." Apparently it indicates a degree of seniority and responsibility.

              But where did very come from?

              Veritas? Verified?

              I must get out more...
              Presumably it means 'true' (adj), Nicene Creed 'very God of very God', or 'truly' (adverb intensive). Like vrai, vero. Why it became attached to some specific Anglican dignitary, I cannot even guess. I suppose 'right' used adverbially can also just be an intensive, though again, why Right is higher than Very is not one for me to answer.

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12934

                #8
                .


                ... or perhaps 'very' just means 'very' - cf French 'Très révérend père', Latin 'reverendissime pater'


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                Last edited by vinteuil; 30-06-20, 08:45.

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                • Count Boso

                  #9
                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  ... or perhaps 'very' just means 'very' - cf French 'Très révérend père', Latin 'reverendissime pater'
                  Interesting digression. If we say 'very' (veray parfit gentil knight) seemingly from French vrai, why do the French say très not vrai or vraiment? As it appears (I googled) très is from Latin 'trans' in its meaning of 'beyond', does that explain the modern intensive use of 'beyond'? The Beyond Reverend Mr X, Beyondest of his Kind. Yea.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37812

                    #10
                    The vicar at one church my parents attended, who was known for swearing a lot, was nicknamed The Very Irreverand ...

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                    • Flay
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 5795

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      The vicar at one church my parents attended, who was known for swearing a lot, was nicknamed The Very Irreverand ...
                      He's a very naughty boy...
                      Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37812

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Flay View Post
                        He's a very naughty boy...


                        When I first lived in Bristol, I got to learn about the L which many Bristolians were given to adding to words ending -o or -a, after hearing a couple announcing that as their pre-Christmas treat, they were going to a performance of Handel's Missile in the cathedral!

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                        • ardcarp
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11102

                          #13
                          seemingly from French vrai, why do the French say très not vrai or vraiment?
                          The English word 'very' has a slightly archaic usage meaning roughly 'true'. Surely the French word 'vrai' means 'true' rather than 'very', as in Oui, c'est vrai.

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                          • ardcarp
                            Late member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11102

                            #14
                            Ah. So you lived in the Bristol Aerial! The port of Bristol was, IIRC, Bristow before the locals got their tongues around it.....

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                            • Flay
                              Full Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 5795

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                              Ah...
                              Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                              ... Bristow
                              Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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