Tourism

[eighthobstruction]

....many holidays (except at luxury end) are very cheap....and I'm talking about value end....too cheap....The average cruise liner is 3,000 + staff/crew....the biggest 6,500 + crew....stands to reason that this/these are floating bio hazards....just because each human has the right to travel (and thus being pro active in the making of jobs for crew and destination business')....doesnt mean that it is good in the long run; in view of research ref ecology etc.....sustainability please....

[MrGongGong]

I'm not so sure about the council tax issue though. If a dwelling is not occupied, there shouldn't be any people who require services, such as water, refuse collection etc. The suggestion that owners should pay more for services which they are not getting is arguably unreasonable.

If you can afford to have two houses (and we did for a while) you can afford to pay the local tax that supports the community where the house is.
If you have an empty property you should pay ( and I did for a while) double IMV
In many places (and this was very true of the street we used to live on) there were houses that were empty as folks were hanging onto them as "investments". They contributed nothing to the community.

[Serial_Apologist]

....many holidays (except at luxury end) are very cheap....and I'm talking about value end....too cheap....The average cruise liner is 3,000 + staff/crew....the biggest 6,500 + crew....stands to reason that this/these are floating bio hazards....just because each human has the right to travel (and thus being pro active in the making of jobs for crew and destination business')....doesnt mean that it is good in the long run; in view of research ref ecology etc.....sustainability please....

We need to make ourselves our own destinations instead of always peering at the greener grass on the other side. Capitalism - those that run it -creates needs people 200 years ago wouldn't have dreamed of - it's most successful businesses being its drivers rather the prioritising the basic needs of people, plants, climate and planet.

I first became aware of some of these issues at school, when it was clear my middle class contemporaries knew more about Morocco than they did about Surbiton. It soon stuck some of us that tourism was less about finding out about foreign cultures at first hand - the pubs and chippies quickly put paid to those - and more about escapism being profitably caterable for.

The longer we go on saying banning the main motors of tourism will destroy local jobs the less time to sort out humanity's spiritual and political backlog. By acting locally while thinking globally, scientific advances in plant techology and sustainable ecofriendly building can be put to equitable socially non-exclusionary use.

[MrGongGong]

The longer we go on saying banning the main motors of tourism will destroy local jobs the less time to sort out humanity's spiritual and political backlog.

Ravenscar ?

people always think that things can't change
but I always think of this place

For many many years the alum works was essential
then chemistry arrived and it went

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/peak-alum-works

The "benefits" of many things are held in offshore accounts by the super rich and the likes of JRM and chums. They add little to our society and it's been very clear what many of these folks think about the people they employ.... when Covid came along they started getting rid of folks or wanting the rest of us to pay for them.

[MrGongGong]

Cruises, as has been pointed out, give employment directly and indirectly to hundreds of thousands and a great deal of pleasure to the people who use them. .

So do hard drugs.
Doesn't make them a good thing though.

[eighthobstruction]

We need to make ourselves our own destinations instead of always peering at the greener grass on the other side. Capitalism - those that run it -creates needs people 200 years ago wouldn't have dreamed of - it's most successful businesses being its drivers rather the prioritising the basic needs of people, plants, climate and planet.

I first became aware of some of these issues at school, when it was clear my middle class contemporaries knew more about Morocco than they did about Surbiton. It soon stuck some of us that tourism was less about finding out about foreign cultures at first hand - the pubs and chippies quickly put paid to those - and more about escapism being profitably caterable for.

The longer we go on saying banning the main motors of tourism will destroy local jobs the less time to sort out humanity's spiritual and political backlog. By acting locally while thinking globally, scientific advances in plant techology and sustainable ecofriendly building can be put to equitable socially non-exclusionary use.

Yes that is kinda what meant....there has to be a change of not only thinking but doing....

[teamsaint]

So do hard drugs.
Doesn't make them a good thing though.

So, what about British orchestras touring the far east, where they already have great orchestras of their own? .Carbon footprint etc?
Printing books we could mostly live without ?
What about the CO2 emissions of the TV and fim industry?

All help create jobs and give some pleasure, and none of them beyond the same kind of ( in many ways valid) criticism aimed at the cruise industry.

[Ein Heldenleben]

We need to make ourselves our own destinations instead of always peering at the greener grass on the other side. Capitalism - those that run it -creates needs people 200 years ago wouldn't have dreamed of - it's most successful businesses being its drivers rather the prioritising the basic needs of people, plants, climate and planet.

I first became aware of some of these issues at school, when it was clear my middle class contemporaries knew more about Morocco than they did about Surbiton. It soon stuck some of us that tourism was less about finding out about foreign cultures at first hand - the pubs and chippies quickly put paid to those - and more about escapism being profitably caterable for.

The longer we go on saying banning the main motors of tourism will destroy local jobs the less time to sort out humanity's spiritual and political backlog. By acting locally while thinking globally, scientific advances in plant techology and sustainable ecofriendly building can be put to equitable socially non-exclusionary use.

Didn’t Proust once say something to the effect that the only real holiday would to be somebody else for six weeks? I’ve given up trying to explain to friends why travelling all over the world on wildlife trips is , with a few exceptions mentioned in the Guardian article , helping destroy the habitat of the very animals they are spending tens of thousands tracking down,