Coronavirus

[Count Boso]

I never saw the logic in not allowing a socially distanced meeting with a friend in their garden but a game of basketball on a court was OK.

I live in a terraced house with a garden behind it. I shall have to open the back door, then while they keep their distance I shall open the front door to let them in, retreating quickly into the front room until they have gone through into the garden (urging them not to touch anything), close the front door and follow them into the back, where chairs would have been placed the required distance apart. Then something similar in reverse when they departed. Can do.

[LeMartinPecheur]

Can anybody figure out if the new rules would allow a few people to meet up for socially distanced exercise, eg a group run ?

From what I have read this would seem to fall within the rules.

Not saying there are such rules but I think the science now says that any violent use of the lungs, as in most sports but also in singing, can spread micro-droplets a lot further than 2m. I've seen some thing like 5m quoted, which of course makes choral singing impossible.

[LMcD]

National Theatre. The play showing tonight is This House by James Graham.

Just finished watching it - definitely as far as we're concerned. Streaming until 7.00 p.m.next Thursday.

[teamsaint]

Not saying there are such rules but I think the science now says that any violent use of the lungs, as in most sports but also in singing, can spread micro-droplets a lot further than 2m. I've seen some thing like 5m quoted, which of course makes choral singing impossible.

Yes, there is certainly every reason to take extra care when exercising vigorously. If we were doing a group run, I’d probably suggest 10 metre gaps.....though people would likely keep catching me up

There have been several good articles about choral singing, the most recent one suggesting that 2 metres is fine, and that singing didn’t produce much extra movement of droplets. It did suggest that wind instruments , esp flutes, were more of a problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/did-singing-together-spread-coronavirus-to-four-choirs

Of course if the useless government actually got the incidence of infection and R right down, all this could be revisited much more positively.

[oddoneout]

I live in a terraced house with a garden behind it. I shall have to open the back door, then while they keep their distance I shall open the front door to let them in, retreating quickly into the front room until they have gone through into the garden (urging them not to touch anything), close the front door and follow them into the back, where chairs would have been placed the required distance apart. Then something similar in reverse when they departed. Can do.

I live in a terraced house as well, and visitors don't have to come through the house to get to the garden - but I would have to warn the folks in the two houses next door as the right of way goes down the drive of the end house and across the back of both their houses...

[LeMartinPecheur]

The Financial Times's world coronavirus statistics https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/...0&values=cases seem to show a pretty marked and worrying upward turn in the UK's New Confirmed Cases (7-day rolling average) in the last few days (after a pretty steady day-on-day fall since early May):

Monday 2111.1
Tuesday 2344.1
Wednesday 2706.7

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=gbr&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=0&values=cases

Has anyone seen this reported or commented on elsewhere?

[Old Grumpy]

Can anybody figure out if the new rules would allow a few people to meet up for socially distanced exercise, eg a group run ?

From what I have read this would seem to fall within the rules.

Quite possibly - but please don't try it in a relatively confined space (e.g road, park) where others are trying to have a socially distanced walk!

[Dave2002]

The Financial Times's world coronavirus statistics https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/...0&values=cases seem to show a pretty marked and worrying upward turn in the UK's New Confirmed Cases (7-day rolling average) in the last few days (after a pretty steady day-on-day fall since early May):

Monday 2111.1
Tuesday 2344.1
Wednesday 2706.7

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=gbr&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=0&values=cases

Has anyone seen this reported or commented on elsewhere?

We have noted the slight upturn, but unless it persists it could be "explained" away by holidays and reporting errors. It is a matter for concern if the localised curve doesn't flatten and/or start to go down again soon.

[johnb]

The Financial Times's world coronavirus statistics https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/...0&values=cases seem to show a pretty marked and worrying upward turn in the UK's New Confirmed Cases (7-day rolling average) in the last few days (after a pretty steady day-on-day fall since early May):

Monday 2111.1
Tuesday 2344.1
Wednesday 2706.7

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=gbr&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=0&values=cases

Has anyone seen this reported or commented on elsewhere?

This will be a bit convoluted, but here goes:

The FT rolling average is distorted by a correction that was made to the figures released on 26th May

Date reported   Daily   7 day rolling avg
21/05/2020	2,615	2,537
22/05/2020	3,287	2,498
23/05/2020	2,959	2,428
24/05/2020	2,405	2,266
25/05/2020	1,625	2,111
26/05/2020	[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]4,043[/COLOR][/B]	2,344
27/05/2020	2,013	2,707
28/05/2020	1,887	2,603

In the above table the daily figure is calculated by taking the difference between the successive day's cumulatives.

This is not how the announced figures are calculated - they give the "true" daily figure without including any adjustments that are made.

For example, the confirmed positive cases that was announced on the 26th May was 2,004 (not 4,043). The difference is "explained" in the notes on the "Number of coronavirus (COVID-19) cases and risk in the UK " webpage for that day.

The number of daily tests completed is 38,682 lower, lab confirmed cases is 2,039 lower, and in-person tests is 36,227 lower than the difference between today’s and yesterday’s cumulative totals. This is due to the integration of the Cambridge laboratory into Pillar 2’s Management Information, which began operating on 11 May, reporting of Milton Keynes lab testing activity from the 24 May, which was not reported yesterday under Pillar 2 due to IT issues **, and other revisions to historical data across all Pillars due to further information being made available to support data processing.

I.e. there was an adjustment of 2,039 relating to either historical data from the Cambridge lab or the Milton Keynes lab or both or "other revisions", or all [or none] of the above

** You will see that the daily figure for the preceding day is on the low side.

[teamsaint]

Quite possibly - but please don't try it in a relatively confined space (e.g road, park) where others are trying to have a socially distanced walk!

I think, like everybody else seems to be doing on here, , I'll use my judgement on that, thanks.

[antongould]

I think, like everybody else seems to be doing on here, , I'll use my judgement on that, thanks.

ts and OG and everyone - I am confused, not hard, I go for walks on our superb network of old railway lines and the paths are about 2 metres wide so usually you pass someone with both of you on the edge ...... but this is not good enough for some who dive into the thistles and seem to expect you to do the same ..... !!! Surely we now learn from the well thought through and backed by the science Track and Trace that to be in danger of getting the virus you have to be within 2 metres of an infected person for 15 minutes now I am a reasonably slow walker but ......

[ardcarp]

It's strange. Different regions, even different villages it seems, take different attitudes to 'the rules'. Around us (rural East Devon) people are of course aware of the dangers but are generally relaxed and kindly. Other places I have visited (but only for a day ) there seems greater fear...and that fear seems as much about other people snitching on you than about the virus itself.

[teamsaint]

ts and OG and everyone - I am confused, not hard, I go for walks on our superb network of old railway lines and the paths are about 2 metres wide so usually you pass someone with both of you on the edge ...... but this is not good enough for some who dive into the thistles and seem to expect you to do the same ..... !!! Surely we now learn from the well thought through and backed by the science Track and Trace that to be in danger of getting the virus you have to be within 2 metres of an infected person for 15 minutes now I am a reasonably slow walker but ......

I don’t like thr thought of you being coereced into diving into the thistles at all, AG ! Not nice, even on tour lovely railway paths .

What surprises me in all of this is that despite their being some incredible science out there ( replicating the genome (? ) of the virus) some things that you might expect to be relatively easy to have researched exhaustively, such as how far droplets can carry under different circumstance , seem to be only partially understood.
Anyway, I think that many runners are well aware that they may well be able to shed droplets well beyond the two metres when breathing vigorously ( nice way of outting it, puffing and panting is probably closer to it for many of us) and are altering their behaviour accordingly. I certainly am, and I find that walkers and others round here are very courteous in allowing runners a good wide berth on our rather uncrowded roads and wood land paths. I’m trying to avoid the narrower paths for now, so as not to impose on walkers. And of course, as in the cyclist/ motorist thing, many runners are also keen walkers .

[MrGongGong]

One of the things that has been positive about this whole lockdown thing
is the absence of large groups of runners and cyclusts rampaging around the place
By all means run, cycle, skateboard, walk your pet hamster etc
BUT the huge groups thing ?....... No thanks

[Maclintick]

Apologies if this has already been discussed on the thread. It worried me. For a start there seems to be no citing of sources for "the study" or whether it qualifies as a rigorous scientific investigation. The comments of Temple University's Music Librarian on the likelihood of "confirmation bias" seem well-judged...

https://www.thestrad.com/news/study-shows-no-increased-risk-to-orchestral-musicians-from-concerts/10687.article