Coronavirus

[MrGongGong]

And just to add a point, avoiding the worst of the potential economic breakdown is very important to all groups in society, though hopefully changed economic priorities can develop from this crisis.

The positive that could come from this IS our society stops treating those with the least who do the most to keep the country going like shit
No-one on a zero-hours contract with NO sick pay and a month's rent away from eviction is going to take any notice of government instructions
it's fine for those with dosh but the rest ?

[teamsaint]

My point being that it's up the individual and not a diktat from the state. A point eloquently put by LMcD.

Which I agreed with in my response to your post.

My point, just to reiterate, is that action is going to be taken by government(s) on a mass scale to restrict activity, so it really is just a question of what soecifically is going to be asked of us collectively. And controlling demand on the NHS. Is the central priority for all of us for the next few months, I would say.

[Pulcinella]

I don’t know, all you have done is asked one question, which I responded to.

My earlier post made clear enough what I think about the proposed measure.It may not be the best possible response, but I don’t have the wisdom of Solomon.

And just to add a point, avoiding the worst of the potential economic breakdown is very important to all groups in society, though hopefully changed economic priorities can develop from this crisis.

Such as cancelling HS2, as people realise that they really don't have to get to their oh so important meeting in person 10 minutes earlier: perhaps they could Skype instead.
And yes, I have heard the argument about it freeing up other lines.....

[teamsaint]

Such as cancelling HS2, as people realise that they really don't have to get to their oh so important meeting in person 10 minutes earlier: perhaps they could Skype instead.
And yes, I have heard the argument about it freeing up other lines.....

I agree, but this crisis will in any case be a tipping point in demand for travel, IMO, much of which ( my own included) is not “ necessary” , as you suggest.

[Bryn]

The hand gel I ordered a month ago, originally scheduled for delivery yesterday, then updated to next Wednesday, is now supposedly to be delivered on Monday. In preparation, I checked the ingredients, alcohol (cited as Ethanol) content is cited as 57.6%. Let's hope it scrapes in as effective.

Hand gel out for delivery a day ahead of most recent estimate (two days after the original estimate and three days ahead of the interim estimate). Looks like I will have to stay in to take delivery of them and another, separate, order for diagnostic sticks (I am borderline normal/pre-diabetic type 2, so just for reassurance) , also out for delivery. With the new door intercom due for delivery tomorrow, it looks like no trip to the shops (on foot) until Tuesday.

[LMcD]

I agree, but this crisis will in any case be a tipping point in demand for travel, IMO, much of which ( my own included) is not “ necessary” , as you suggest.

As it's probably too late for us to sign up for home delivery - and we prefer to support local shops anyway - a certain number of shopping trips will be necessary unless, as has been suggested, the government plan is to progressively kill off the over 70's. We'd be prepared to walk to and from town rather than use the bus (although that would increase the risk of an already reduced service being axed - not good news for the less fit and mobile).
I suppose we could live off the limited range of goodies available from Amazon Pantry.

[MrGongGong]

"diktats" from the state seem to be ok for some folks when they apply to poor or disabled people
but not to the rest of society ... interesting

Not referring to anyone specific but reading various news this morning

[Bryn]

A useful pdf for the community-minded to print, complete and distrubute to neighbours, etc.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L_8GoI1zQ572fBZtElFfQZI9vNEwK7Rf/view

[MrGongGong]

A useful pdf for the community-minded to print, complete and distrubute to neighbours, etc.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L_8...9vNEwK7Rf/view

[Anastasius]

Which I agreed with in my response to your post.

My point, just to reiterate, is that action is going to be taken by government(s) on a mass scale to restrict activity, so it really is just a question of what soecifically is going to be asked of us collectively. And controlling demand on the NHS. Is the central priority for all of us for the next few months, I would say.

I agree. But basing any decision on simply age is facile. Who is more likely to develop complications ? A hale and hearty 70year old with no medical condition or a 30 year-old obese individual with hypertension and diabetes ?

[Anastasius]

Just make sure you thoroughly wash the leaflet before you put it through the door.

[Bryn]

Just make sure you thoroughly wash the leaflet before you put it through the door.

Just make sure not to touch it with unwashed hands at any point between inserting the paper into the printer and putting in through letter box.

[teamsaint]

I agree. But basing any decision on simply age is facile. Who is more likely to develop complications ? A hale and hearty 70year old with no medical condition or a 30 year-old obese individual with hypertension and diabetes ?

As I said, widom of Solomon required. But these things are ( I think) about large scale numbers games and strategy, including timing.I’m guessing that if the over 70s isolation happens, that if 5% ( say) don’t comply, the measure will still be effective, which is really the point. And of course some people who are in fact low risk may be in isolation for what in their case is not a good reason.
Presumably vulnerable 30 YOs have the option ( all things being equal,such as sick pay) of self isolating. Over 70s for the most part have secure if sometimes modest income.

[Bryn]

As I said, widom of Solomon required. But these things are ( I think) about large scale numbers games and strategy, including timing.I’m guessing that if the over 70s isolation happens, that if 5% ( say) don’t comply, the measure will still be effective, which is really the point. And of course some people who are in fact low risk may be in isolation for what in their case is not a good reason.
Presumably vulnerable 30 YOs have the option ( all things being equal,such as sick pay) of self isolating. Over 70s for the most part have secure if sometimes modest income.

Very much to the point. Re the ridiculous bulk-buying of toilet tissue, what's wrong, when at home, of a bowl of warm soapy water and a 'facecloth', followed by a second, dry, facecloth for drying?

[gradus]

Presumably the garden/allotment will still be within limits so cabin fever may be avoided. No neighbourly chats though.