Coronavirus

[mikealdren]

Yes, he's clearly one of the Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro school of believers.

[James Wonnacott]

TV??? Research where? I talk to medic relatives and friends on the front line seeing people die, that's research enough for me. The only doubt is among the stupid, believing what they read in the Internet.

ONS is on the internet.

[johnb]

ONS is on the internet.

I agree that the ONS figures are more reliable than the "Deaths within 28 days" figures. But the ONS gives the total number of deaths in the UK with Covid-19 on the death certificate as 149,968 to 26th March, 2021. This figure agrees with that on the Coronavirus Dashboard.

It is higher than the number of Deaths within 28 Days, not less. The bulk of the difference relates to the first wave, when testing was very restricted so the number of deaths following a positive PCR test was understated during that period.

As far as I can see, the figure isn't explicitly stated in text of the latest ONS report but can be calculated from the download at the bottom of this section: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ered-in-the-uk

[duncan]

ONS is on the internet.

This episode of More or Less covers the accuracy of the ‘deaths 28 days after a positive covid test’ figure. Their conclusion was it somewhat underestimates the true figure. You’ve made a very contentious claim, the onus is on you to provide credible evidence to support it.

[Anastasius]

Can you point to where you get that information from?

The current figures are:

Deaths within 28 days of a Covid-19 test: 127,080
Deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate: 149,968 (to 26th March)

(The bulk of the difference between the two figures occurred during the first wave when Covid testing was very restricted.)

He probably got it from the K-Doze forum. Or back of a cornflakes packet.

[vinteuil]

He probably got it from the K-Doze forum. Or back of a cornflakes packet.

... Kellogg's Special K


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[teamsaint]

The death figures for covid are presented in a particular way. They are certainly open to interpretation, one way or another.
Factors which ought to be taken into account include the way in which doctors are now allowed to report deaths.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf

There is clearly scope for over reporting of deaths as being due to Covid, which I suspect most of us have anecdotal evidence of.

[teamsaint]

Anyway, there is an interesting and hopeful small scale study on the effect of inhaled steroids.
It has been clear for some time that athsmatics had in general been suffering less badly than had been expected from covid. The apparent positive results of using dexamethasone for those in hospital some time ago seemed to suggest that steroids might be helpful. Could be avery useful addition to the range of treatments available.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00160-0/fulltext

[Cockney Sparrow]

Anyway, there is an interesting and hopeful small scale study on the effect of inhaled steroids.
It has been clear for some time that athsmatics had in general been suffering less badly than had been expected from covid. The apparent positive results of using dexamethasone for those in hospital some time ago seemed to suggest that steroids might be helpful. Could be avery useful addition to the range of treatments available.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...160-0/fulltext

Interesting information, recently, asthma has reared its head after 47 years and I now take a preventative steriod inhaler. I won't be taking greater risks but of course its interesting to me.

I occasionally visit a website, the transferred survivor of a yahoo group on horticultural matters. Most of the posters are Americans, or Americans who've gone abroad and its quite an eye-opener - anti vaxxer, anti Gates/Soros/Biden. Convinced that taking the vaccine is going to lead to mortality on a wide scale and that wearing a mask (or rather - not, in their case) is a mere incidental signifier of the control that has been put in place by their governments using an elaborate charade of staged hospital crises with over-inflated and mis-attributed deaths. (They're mostly living out on their farms or holdings so they're not faced with using city mass transit to earn their living, or going past the ambulance queues ouside hospitals).

They've been discussing dexamethasone in a nebuliser as a treatment for Covid if they get infected - and have been considering what chemicals to blend to concoct their own because they can't get hold of dexamethasone (because of evil big pharma and control of the populace planned by Gates/Soros and the government). Perhaps they were right on the efficacy of inhaled treatments but I don't expect to see the rest of their predictions come to pass........... Maybe in a year or two I'll ask for their observations on the mortality statistics post vaccination.(Anybody who invited examination of the situation in Brazil would be told its a fiction of Main Stream Media).

[James Wonnacott]

TV??? Research where? I talk to medic relatives and friends on the front line seeing people die, that's research enough for me. The only doubt is among the stupid, believing what they read in the Internet.

Try this. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistic...total-archive/

[johnb]

Try this. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistic...total-archive/

James, thanks for that link - though that is NHS England rather than the ONS that you previously mentioned.

That data only includes deaths in NHS Hospitals in England where there has been a positive Covid-19 test.

It doesn't include deaths in England outside hospital and it doesn't include any Covid deaths in Scotland, Wales and NI.

It also doesn't include deaths where there hasn't been a positive Covid-19 test but where Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate. (This can happen even in NHS England hospitals, where there were 5,481 such instances to 12th April.)

There is no absolutely exact figure for the number of Covid-19 deaths.

The Deaths within 28 Days of a Positive Test is intended as a first approximation in order to give people, including policy makers, the earliest possible indication of what is happening.

The ONS figures, which are based on the death certificate, are regarded as a much more accurate measure of Covid-19 deaths but it is always, inevitably, published in arrears. Also, it can take days, weeks and sometimes even months for a death to appear in the ONS figures, so even the published figures are subject to some degree of (upward) change as more deaths are registered.

[Pulcinella]

Meanwhile:

NHS Covid-19 app update blocked for breaking Apple and Google's rules

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56713017

[Serial_Apologist]

Meanwhile:

NHS Covid-19 app update blocked for breaking Apple and Google's rules

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56713017

As Rory Cellan-Jones says there: "What this underlines is that governments around the world have been forced to frame part of their response to the global pandemic according to rules set down by giant unelected corporations".

[teamsaint]

As Rory Cellan-Jones says there: "What this underlines is that governments around the world have been forced to frame part of their response to the global pandemic according to rules set down by giant unelected corporations".

Well nobody is actually forcing them to expand digital surveillance. Well not the electorate anyway......

[LHC]

James, thanks for that link - though that is NHS England rather than the ONS that you previously mentioned.

That data only includes deaths in NHS Hospitals in England where there has been a positive Covid-19 test.

It doesn't include deaths in England outside hospital and it doesn't include any Covid deaths in Scotland, Wales and NI.

It also doesn't include deaths where there hasn't been a positive Covid-19 test but where Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate. (This can happen even in NHS England hospitals, where there were 5,481 such instances to 12th April.)

There is no absolutely exact figure for the number of Covid-19 deaths.

The Deaths within 28 Days of a Positive Test is intended as a first approximation in order to give people, including policy makers, the earliest possible indication of what is happening.

The ONS figures, which are based on the death certificate, are regarded as a much more accurate measure of Covid-19 deaths but it is always, inevitably, published in arrears. Also, it can take days, weeks and sometimes even months for a death to appear in the ONS figures, so even the published figures are subject to some degree of (upward) change as more deaths are registered.

I also fail to see how it supports his statement "The great majority died of something other than the virus"